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Obviously a clear indication of just how far standards have slipped on this forum...
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Breaking News: Claim of responsibility by an Arabic speaker with a Moroccan accent, calling himself the "military spokesman for Al-Queda in Europe", has sent a tape into Madrid TV claiming responsibility."I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
^ The Poly equivalent of:
"I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the MooniniteComment
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Maybe they didn't think it would kill so many.. and why are you ruling out a possible splinter group of ETA?Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Fez, once again as you have shown many times in this thread, you didn't read what I said. They do kill people. They don't kill people for no reason. Killing people and blaming someone else for it is killing people for no reason.
Fab, before we trust a tape it must be verified.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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listen to yourself for a second - did i say it was right to kill government officials? no. but that means they dont kill wantonly, and they are smart. this operation reeks of alqaeda and heres why. (using logic, which might be tuff for you, but try to follow)
1. Timing: right before elections. If done by ETA, backlash against them. If done by Al Qaeda, backlash against them, and payback for spains support of war on terror.
analysis: ETA have everything to lose by bombing before elections. AQ has everything to gain. first, it brings the war on terror to the homefront and brings average civilians into the mix. secondly, it terrorizes people. and third, it can get some people to decide that its better to get out of Iraq and war on terror.
Conclusion: AQ did it
2. Style: wonton destruction, akin to WTC I, WTC II, Embassy I, EMbassy II, Cole. ETA has never done attacks like this (except for one mistkae), sometimes calls in, and takes responsibility. Al qaeda has track record of large scale attacks
analysis: again, ETA has much more to lose. they dont engage in attacks like this because it is counterproductive - it gets people angry at them, which is not what they want. furthermore, they have not on purpose killed hundreds of cilivians. this fits into Al qaedas style
conclusion: its al qaeda.
3. Location: Spain. Spain has historically (and dont think they dont know their history) been the slayers on islam. (reconquista, inquisition)
analysis: by itself, doesnt mean much. but with the other evidence, makes it much more clear
conclusion: a wash. ETA and Al qaeda are just as likely to attack in Spain.
now lets look at the rhetoric and politicisation of this event. all government officials quick to claim it was ETA, and not al qaeda. now why would they do that? could if be because they have a vested interest that if its ETA then everyone will vote against them? even the spanish government understands that the ETA would be slitting their own throats if they did an attack like this. why do you think the interior minister was jizzing all over the place screaming that its ETA? to answer that, all you gotta do is ask "what does every first term party want?" a second term."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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It very well could be a splinter group. However, I think (as do many other Spaniards) that the government was a little too quick to accuse ETA.
As for the tape, this is the second claim. Third time's a charm."I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
^ The Poly equivalent of:
"I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the MooniniteComment
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hahaha. everyone who claimed it was ETA are now unveiled as cheap politicians trying to wring every ounce (or gram) of capital out of this event."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Lawrence, what the **** is wrong with you? Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions until the investigation is over.
It has to verified before anything.Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
As for the tape, this is the second claim. Third time's a charm.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Hey Master Debater, 3 moroccans and a couple of indians got arrested because of evidence found in one of the unexploded devices - why are you ruling out a possible link to AQ?Originally posted by Giancarlo
Maybe they didn't think it would kill so many.. and why are you ruling out a possible splinter group of ETA?
Fab, before we trust a tape it must be verified.Comment
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I'm not really. One of my first posts on the topic was "It wouldn't surprised me if Al Qaeda was involved".Originally posted by MOBIUS
Hey Master Debater, 3 moroccans and a couple of indians got arrested because of evidence found in one of the unexploded devices - why are you ruling out a possible link to AQ?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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oh, you mean like the PP members?
Lawrence, what the **** is wrong with you? Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions until the investigation is over.
"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Lawrence, what the **** is wrong with you? Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions until the investigation is over.
It has to verified before anything.
Says the Master Debater who was screaming for the violent deaths of ETA from the get go...Comment
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you ****ing ****, the PP has done a lot more for Spain then the ****ing PSOE.Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
oh, you mean like the PP members?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I'm not really. One of my first posts on the topic was "It wouldn't surprised me if Al Qaeda was involved".
. . . which came after this post . . .
Consider my opinion changed on autonomy for the Basque region. Suspend it all and declare martial law."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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ok, so you admit that the PP jumped to conclusions, along with you? and now we can see that they are wrong conclusions.you ****ing ****, the PP has done a lot more for Spain then the ****ing PSOE."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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Again you're being an idiot. I didn't mean that one about martial law. Can you grow a brain?Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
. . . which came after this post . . .
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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