Desktops

[Q Classic]

never really had to look in deep directory structures... whenever i work on a mac, i ssh into my desktop and sftp everything i need there.

as far as going into folders anyway... usually, if i can't find something, i just do the search for it; i've found that there's not much point in trying to find the specific folders.

[Drake Tungsten]

whenever i work on a mac, i ssh into my desktop and sftp everything i need there.

Me too. Guess Asher just isn't l33t enough to handle it...

[Asher]

I've been using telnet, ssh, ftp and the like since 91-92, I believe I can handle it. Especially considering SSH is used on a regular basis for me (see Putty on the desktop).

Though I use FTP w/ SSL rather than SFTP.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Two points...

One, I'm glad to see that Aggie has a folder devoted to me on his desktop. I love you, too.

I'm now convinced. more than ever, that if Asher was offered his pick of two houses - say, Fallingwater or some mock tudor kitset townhouse, he'd choose the one with the bigger garage.


Drake is right Asher. That AT article is out of date.

[Asher]

Why would I want or need a massive house?

I'll quietly note that you've still not defended your assertion that MS is ripping the Finder off, so I'm going to take this as you admitting defeat and the ridiculousness of your comment.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

But now that I see his entire case is built on the fact that they're gray with large top halves...I can definitely see how he's not very adept with computers, or at least computer terminology.

I see you are splitting hairs again - semantics being the last refuge of the idiot. I presume that if Apple ripped off the look of Windows (which they would never do, since M$ has no taste) you would be in here whining about it like a stuck pig like you usually do.

e.g. your countless "Apple ripped off M$ technology" threads (like sub pixel rendering - invented by Steve Wozniak for the Apple II, or Expose - which M$ supposedly "invented").

Geez - I don't class myself as a major league computer geek, but at least I'm not a fraud.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
I see you are splitting hairs again - semantics being the last refuge of the idiot. I presume that if Apple ripped off the look of Windows (which they would never do, since M$ has no taste) you would be in here whining about it like a stuck pig like you usually do.

I find myself repeating things.
1) Plex is a placeholder, and will not ship with Longhorn
2) That is not brushed steel
3) Apple is not the only company who can use grey in a theme

I'm not splitting hairs, Agathon. It's patently clear to everyone else, I'm sure, that the Plex UI is NOT a ripoff of MacOS' finder.

e.g. your countless "Apple ripped off M$ technology" threads (like sub pixel rendering - invented by Steve Wozniak for the Apple II

Another red-herring -- MS invented sub-pixel font anti-aliasing, as evidenced by their patents on it, and Apple's undisputed license of said patents. Sub-pixel rendering is not the same as sub-pixel font anti-aliasing, just like supersampling rendering is not the same as other primitive forms of font anti-aliasing.

Further, I expect you're one of the zombies who believed that crap article Steve Gibson put out on this, yes?

Apple's "sub-pixel rendering" and subsequent patents from the Apple II are nothing like the techniques used on modern PCs. Apple used a quirk with the NTSC format (color subcarriers) to effective double the horizontal resolution, "creating" pixels that are not there. As you probably know, modern computer monitors and LCDs do not use NTSC...

or Expose - which M$ supposedly "invented").

I never said MS invented Expose. I said Expose is fundamentally not necessary on Windows due to the taskbar. Do you know how few people actually download and install those Expose ripoffs of the PC? Expose is a frill, a useless gimick on the PC -- I have no doubt it's useful on OS X, but only because the Window management on OS X is incomprehensibily stupid, so Expose reduces the negative effects.

This is not saying MS "invented" Expose.

I am not the fraud here, Agathon.

[Asher]

By the way, for Agathon's convenience:

Microsoft Patents on...
Subpixel rendering: 6,188,385; 6,219,025; 6,239,783; 6,307,566
Complex color filtering: 6,225,973; 6,243,070; 6,393,145
Subpixel font hinting and layout: 6,421,054; 6,282,327

[Asher]

And just for sh*ts and giggles:

http://www.macobserver.com/columns/devilsadvocate/2003/20030523.shtml

Apple's Quartz vs MS' ClearType:

In a larger, pixel-for-pixel accurate screengrab, above, you might be able see that text under ClearType looks markedly clearer. If you're using an LCD (or a CRT with properly aligned sub-pixels) the difference should be relatively striking. Even if you don't have an appropriate monitor, odds are you'll still notice a slightly more fine-tuned rasterization provided by Microsoft's ClearType.

Apple's version is more primitive, so to get rid of "jaggies" as effectively as ClearType they resort to slightly blurring the text, resulting in "halos" and an unintentional bolding effect...

[Paul Hanson]

The Apple version looks far clearer in that picture, if you ask me.

[Cruddy]

I wouldn't say FAR clearer - but the MS one does look a bit fuzzy to me.

Maybe all this sub pixel nonsense isn't worth having anyway?

[Drake Tungsten]

The Apple version looks far clearer in that picture, if you ask me.

You're not the only one. Good example, Glonkie!

[Agathon]

So MS took someone else's idea and used it for fonts. Of course there was no patent dispute as the Apple patent had expired.

You're a joke Asher. Of course you are a fraud. One need only remind oneself of your Fitts' Law flip flops among other things. I'm guessing you still believe it's a mathematical law?

And you ****ing did say that M$ invented Expose, or at least that Expose was a "ripoff" of M$ technology. You started a thread on it, in which it was pointed out to you that your "evidence" wasn't sufficient to justify your claim.

NB: that pic of Apple's font antialiasing is of a Carbon app (Word) - true native OS X apps (Cocoa) seem slightly better than that to me. In any case, the Apple font smoothing is clearly superior in your example.

+ M$'s font smoothing when it does work well tends to distort the fonts so as to fail to provide true WYSIWYG when it comes to printing.

[Q Classic]

RGB font smoothing in KDE is better than both.

[Q Classic]

and i'm not quite sure what company you're referring to when you say M$.

as far as font smoothing in windows distorting wysiwyg printing? never seen it happen.