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For who exactly did he write the paper? There's probably a reason it didn't appear in a science mag.
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It's appeared in many science journals...Originally posted by Oncle Boris
For who exactly did he write the paper? There's probably a reason it didn't appear in a science mag.
He doesn't just write papers under commission from a journal or something. He writes them to get his ideas in the open.
It also was printed in The World of Mathematics, not just Mind."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Yeaaaaah, why are we bothering to offer 'introduction to machine language' courses? Those people would be better revolutionizing the world, every 2 months!Originally posted by Asher
You would be less useless if you understood perhaps the most relevant mind of the last century. He's revolutionized the world, and you don't know much about him? Agathon, dear, being the 1 millionth person to analyze Plato in depth isn't very helpful. If you're going to be a philosopher, study modern things and progress from there.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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If it was only retaken by the philosophy journal, then it doesn't demonstrate anything about Turing's interest.Originally posted by Asher
It's appeared in many science journals...
If it was first published in it, though, the issue is settled.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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What kind of logic is that? ...Originally posted by Oncle Boris
If it was only retaken by the philosophy journal, then it doesn't demonstrate anything about Turing's interest.
If it was first published in it, though, the issue is settled.
That paper was not his first published on mechanized intelligence.
Proposed Electronic Calculator was published in '46.
The Automatic Computing Engine in '47.
Intelligent Machinery in '48.
Computing Machinery and Intelligence was published in '50, in "Mind", because Turing wanted a wider audience than his previous works. He would be preaching to the choir if he simply kept adding new journals to the regular math journals.
So he chose Mind, for a wider audience. Something which molly's article says quite literally."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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BTW, Computing Machinery and Intelligence is available online here: http://www.abelard.org/turpap/turpap.htm"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Asher
What kind of logic is that? ...
So he chose Mind, for a wider audience. Something which molly's article says quite literally.
Better than yours- he published a paper in a journal of philosophy because he mistook it for Popular Mechanics, or Sheepfarmers' Monthly, hmm?
Yes, for an audience familiar with philosophical concepts such as what constitutes consciousness, how may consciousness be differentiated between machines and humans if it exists in both, and so on he publishes in a journal where such familiar ideas are debated.
If you imagine that consciousness is not a proper subject for philosophical debate, or has not been, then you are demonstrating an obtuseness which will not be penetrated by even small words spoken slowly or spelt out in big letters. Try Rene Descartes, for instance- cogito, ergo sum.
Did Turing ever say anything about his feet?
Shall we then assume he had no interest in wearing footwear?
He does not have to say explicitly:
'I am interested in philosophy'
to be interested in many different aspects of logic, reason, thought, morality, all of which can usefully covered by the umbrella term philosophy.
That is, philosophy which is the pursuit of wisdom, or of the knowledge of things and their causes (natural, moral, et cetera), the study of ultimate realities and general principles, well I could go on, but try to pretend that Turing wasn't interested in any of those things when he was talking with Wittgenstein or trying to define consciousness.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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Yes, because all the moderates will be frightened back to the Liberals by the selection of a moderate leader.Originally posted by Tingkai
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No wonder his philosophy rots.Originally posted by Agathon
You're forgetting that Wittgenstein started out as an engineer and became interested in philosophy because he wondered about the foundations of mathematics.
Actually, I am only familar with his religious philosophy, and that part certainly smells. It's particularly ironic that he understand something about maths.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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What religious philosophy?Originally posted by Urban Ranger
No wonder his philosophy rots.
Actually, I am only familar with his religious philosophy, and that part certainly smells. It's particularly ironic that he understand something about maths.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Too late to join the Conservatives to vote in the leadership race. Cut off was last week.
The way they have decided to conduct the voting - having each riding in Canada worth 100 points for a total of 30800 points, would make your vote in Calgary absolutely useless. Most Calgary riding associations have between 1000 - 3000 members, the vast majority of which are Harper supporters.
If Gay rights, or any other human rights issues are a make or break issue join the NDP.
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Originally posted by Asher
A true scientist can ignore a philosopher, because all of those exist without a pesky beret following you around with "what ifs" and "whys" when there is work to be done.
Isn't the work of a true scientist to ask things like "what if" and "why"? Isn't that like the whole point of being a scientist, questioning the way things are and reasoning out answers based on the evidence found?
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I thought the rule was not to ask 'why', but instead to ask 'how'. Why isn't very productive outside of Theology. Or something like that.
There's no way in Hades that the Conservatives would have agreed to merge if it were done any other way. The point is to rebuild the party in the ROC and have something capable of forming a government, not to have yet another party dominated by Westerners with zero chance of success East of Thunder Bay.Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
Too late to join the Conservatives to vote in the leadership race. Cut off was last week.
The way they have decided to conduct the voting - having each riding in Canada worth 100 points for a total of 30800 points, would make your vote in Calgary absolutely useless. Most Calgary riding associations have between 1000 - 3000 members, the vast majority of which are Harper supporters.
If Gay rights, or any other human rights issues are a make or break issue join the NDP.
I'm in Calgary for 6 more weeks - Buy me a beer and I'll sign you up !!
I'm sure the ND are disappointed that the Tories didn't commit electoral suicide and held out for that point.(\__/)
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Why would they vote for a Conservative party that is Liberal-lite?Yes, because all the moderates will be frightened back to the Liberals by the selection of a moderate leader.
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