Animal Rights and Abortion

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Personally, I never understood people's hang-up on Cannibalism.

Neither have I, really .

Well, except for the fact that you have to kill the humans... can't eat one who has died of natural causes really.

Bus accidents can be delicious...

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
The idea is that you should only eat parts of a plant that the plant 'intends' or 'wants' you to eat - like its fruit.

If that's true, then in accordance with the "intent" shown by the plant you should also take your craps in the great wide open to spread the kind plant's seeds - because that's what it "wants".

[Ben Kenobi]

Except one is considered liberal and one is considered conservative. I think they should work together.

Not the first to think of this. The real reason one is conservative, and the other liberal is because of the different attitudes about human beings. Liberals do not view people as having intrinsic value, but rather, constructed value. Conservatives believe the opposite.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Liberals do not view people as having intrinsic value, but rather, constructed value. Conservatives believe the opposite.

Incorrect. Some Liberals do believe people have intrinsic value... it just doesn't come from God. Liberals such as Dworkin have worked that out.

[Ben Kenobi]

Liberals such as Dworkin have worked that out.

Well, then either post a link, or send me a PM if you don't feel people will read the article.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674867114/qid=1078280665//ref=pd_ka_1/103-7460097-5460644?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It's part of a book: Taking Rights Seriously

[General Ludd]

How can you say that the 'bleeding hearts' don't believe humans to have any intrinsic value?

[Ben Kenobi]

How can you say that the 'bleeding hearts' don't believe humans to have any intrinsic value?

From the abortion debate.

They frame the debate in saying society has the right to confer personhood on whom they deem to be persons or not.

Conservatives see rights as existing from outside society, and that society merely recognises, rather than confers these rights.

[Ben Kenobi]

Imran:

I'm a poor student, so I can't just pick up a book. I will look out for the book in the library by looking at the ISDN number.

I just have one question.

If Dworkin believes in intrinsic rights, where does he believe these rights originate from?

[Giancarlo]

Re: Re: Animal Rights and Abortion

Originally posted by Spiffor
Whether vegans or vegetarians, they oppose the useless suffering of animals or the exploitation of animals at all.

Hold whatever opinion you want (and even if it is wrong, and in this case it is). But just don't tell others what to eat because of "supposed suffering of animals". I mean we raise these things to eat. We being doing this for centuries ever since the dawn of civilization and farming. And not some hippie vegan nutcase is going to change that.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


From the abortion debate.

They frame the debate in saying society has the right to confer personhood on whom they deem to be persons or not.

Conservatives see rights as existing from outside society, and that society merely recognises, rather than confers these rights.

I think you're putting words in their mouths.

[The Templar]

Re: Re: Re: Animal Rights and Abortion

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Hold whatever opinion you want (and even if it is wrong, and in this case it is). But just don't tell others what to eat because of "supposed suffering of animals". I mean we raise these things to eat. We being doing this for centuries ever since the dawn of civilization and farming. And not some hippie vegan nutcase is going to change that.

Other things since the dawn of civilization include slavery, genocide, gay bashing, racism, and militarism.

None of these things are good, ergo the length of time we've been doing something is irrelevant to its moral nature.

[Giancarlo]

Templar, that's stupid. This is food we are talking about. And you have no right to tell me what to eat or not.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Animal Rights and Abortion

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Another thing, a friend of mine is a vegitarian and big animal rights buff, while also very much pro-choice. This brings up some interesting hypocrisy.

You think there is some sort of hypocrisy involved because somehow you think that the reasons behind the stances on animal rights issue and abortion issue must be unified. According to you, only one rationale is allowed to explain their positions on both issues.

Since this is a silly idea, I don't see where the hypocrisy is.

[RGBVideo]

Bya vegetarians standards, wouldn't eating fruit be equivalent to eating aborted fetuses?

And what's wrong with that?