The Passion rotten so far

[Imran Siddiqui]

Atheism goes one step further and declares that there is no God and that people who do believe in God are

First part yes... second part, not really... unless you a bigoted Christian who believes all atheists are a certain way .

It is very clear to me that atheism is built on hatred of religion. I have never seen anything or heard anything from an atheist that is inconsistent with this view.

The Nedaverse continues on.

[Odin]

Jesus was a real person, but I think the supernatural stuff was made up by a few of his followers, especially St. Peter. I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus (she was his closest friend). This, unfortunatly, caused the male-chauvinism of Christianity.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Atheism goes one step further and declares that there is no God and that people who do believe in God are

First part yes... second part, not really... unless you a bigoted Christian who believes all atheists are a certain way .

It is very clear to me that atheism is built on hatred of religion. I have never seen anything or heard anything from an atheist that is inconsistent with this view.

The Nedaverse continues on.

Prove me wrong, if you can. Find me an atheist who has anything but unkind words for religion.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin
Jesus was a real person, but I think the supernatural stuff was made up by a few of his followers, especially St. Peter. I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus (she was his closest friend). This, unfortunatly, caused the male-chauvinism of Christianity.

Odin, you may be right. There is a pattern of labelling all great women of the ancient world who have political enemies as prostitutes. (Cleopatra, Messilina, Theodora, Mary Magdalene, for example) This pattern is so consistent as to immediately give one pause when a great or famous woman in the ancient world has been labelled as such by the ancients.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Odin
Jesus was a real person, but I think the supernatural stuff was made up by a few of his followers, especially St. Peter. I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus (she was his closest friend). This, unfortunatly, caused the male-chauvinism of Christianity.

any suggestion of this in the Bible at all?

Jon Mliler

[Ned]

Re: The Passion rotten so far

Originally posted by MrBaggins

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941/

Not a ton of reviews so far. The tomato meter is hovering just below fresh at 58% Cream of the crop however, paints a worse picture at 38%

Passion, by all accounts, isn't high quality film making... but then, it IS a Gibson film.

Well, based on the reviews, the movie should be a bust. Now, let's check the box office numbers. Hmmm.....

[Ned]

According to Rush Limbaugh, CBS is facing a firestorm of protest concerning Andy Rooney, both for his trashing of the movie and of Mel on 60 Minutes and for his hateful remarks on Imus. He reports that the protests are far greater than anything they have received heretofore.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
I think you'd be surprised. I read much more violent and salacious fiction than the bible, every day.

Wow, with genocide, rape, and surnatural punishment for pretty much anything? Please tell me where you find so many books like that

[MrBaggins]

The movie had a huge number of pre-sold tickets. Mel Gibson spent millions in screener promotions to convince churches to promote the film, which has led many of those churches (and other individuals) to prebuy first week tickets, since they see the film as an evangelical tool.

Free tickets to something that there has been controversy over means that theatres were pretty full, but theres no indication as to how many viewers will come back... after all, these churches can't afford to keep doing this. I give Passion a couple of weeks at number 1. Hidalgo and Starsky & Hutch are out the next week, and should do OK, but I still think that Passion should be number 1, then too.

S & H is surprisingly not crap, and Stiller and Wilson are both crowd pleasers- look at Along Came Polly... Stiller was the star vehicle for that. As for Hidalgo, its too soon to tell... Viggo hasn't been in a movie since LOTR's and we don't know how many fans he has. My wife for one, is going, no question, and LOTR is getting plenty of press and will win the Oscar on Sunday, so that will give both Viggo, and ROTK a bounce... and ROTK is a guaranteed crowd pleaser.

The week after, though, you have a big release which will absolutely do big numbers, and is almost a lock to take the top spot... Secret Window.

Buzz will have died out by that point, and people will start listening to what other people are saying about the film, rather than wanting to see the controversial new film or getting a free presold ticket.

Of course, the film might have massive legs, but I think the film is likely to be reasonably heavily frontloaded, with greater than 35% drops per weekend. Its still way too early to tell. Of course its going to do decent numbers, but this film isn't Titanic. I don't see it being the biggest film of the year.

Its tough doing massive numbers since DVDs became popular.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Ned


Prove me wrong, if you can. Find me an atheist who has anything but unkind words for religion.

[MrBaggins]

Plus ROTK is going wide release (again) after the Oscars... 2000+ screens... cutting into screen market share... I don't see how this won't affect Passion.

[Dis]

I haven't read all the review, but most are good.

Ebert and Reoper are the only reviews I care about. Sometimes they recommend films I know I wouldn't like, but that is only because I don't like the genre. Of the types of movies I do like to see, their thumbs up recommendations have never steered me wrong.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


any suggestion of this in the Bible at all?

Jon Mliler

Not that I've seen.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
I give Passion a couple of weeks at number 1.

So you think Mel will make his money back plus rake in alot of profit as well. Sounds like a win for him.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ned
One either believes in God, or gods, or one does not. Atheism goes one step further and declares that there is no God and that people who do believe in God are -- well you pick the word. Whenever word you pick, it is not a kind word.

You do realize that not believing in God is atheism, too, Ned? It doesn't have to entail a positive assertion that there is no god, it is simply the absense of belief in God. Welcome to atheism.

And this is categorically wrong. Most atheists, whether of the positive or negative variety, aren't religion-bashers. You're simply practicing your own bigotry by assuming this to be the case based on a small vocal minority. Again, Mr. Double Standard, why don't you judge Christians by the standards set by Falwell and Co.?

It is very clear to me that atheism is built on hatred of religion. I have never seen anything or heard anything from an atheist that is inconsistent with this view.

Atheism is built on a lack of belief in God, period. I don't hate religion, nor do any od the atheists I know. They may hate the evils perpetrated in the name of religion by some people, but they hate evils perpetrated by anyone.

Tell, me Ned: What do the major religions in their official dogma say about atheism? Any kind words about it in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, etc.? Once again, the Nedaverse sees fit to apply blatant double standards to satisfy its master's biased agenda.