The Passion rotten so far

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ned
Imran, Atheism is about anti-religious bigotry.

Isn't making massive generalizations about entire beliefs the very definition of bigotry? You're gulity as charged.

So one not believing in any religion means one must be a bigot? Wow, the irony of your own bigotry is profoundly amusing, an that sad kind of way.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Isn't making massive generalizations about entire beliefs the very definition of bigotry? You're gulity as charged.

So one not believing in any religion means one must be a bigot? Wow, the irony of your own bigotry is profoundly amusing, an that sad kind of way.

My statement is not about agnostics. I am an agnostic. My statement is about atheists who affirm that there is no God, without evidence, and who fan the flames of hatred and bigotry against the religious.

[Nostromo]

I think we should leave the concept of proof where it belongs: in mathematics.

[Imran Siddiqui]

My statement is about atheists who affirm that there is no God, without evidence

Oh Lord... why should those who are not making the assertion have the burden of proof.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ned
My statement is not about agnostics. I am an agnostic. My statement is about atheists who affirm that there is no God, without evidence, and who fan the flames of hatred and bigotry against the religious.

By this logic, then you must believe, to be consistent, that religious folks who affirm there is a God, without evidence, are thereby fanning the flames of hatred and bigotry against the non-religious. Patently stupid reasoning.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


By this logic, then you must believe, to be consistent, that religious folks who affirm there is a God, without evidence, are thereby fanning the flames of hatred and bigotry against the non-religious. Patently stupid reasoning.

It is not the belief or abscence of the belief that fans the flames of bigotry. It is statements you see from the like of Andy Rooney that he would laugh at the Passion; or from Che that people who are religious are mentally ill. There is a distinct difference between belief and hate.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ned
It is not the belief or abscence of the belief that fans the flames of bigotry. It is statements you see from the like of Andy Rooney that he would laugh at the Passion; or from Che that people who are religious are mentally ill. There is a distinct difference between belief and hate.

Hey, what a surprise, you're changing your story again:

Imran, Atheism is about anti-religious bigotry.

That's a pretty clear condemnation of the entire belief on your part, and it's also a gross generalization that is itself bigoted. Don't think we're dumb enough to not catch you in these charades when they're on the same page.

And why is it fair to judge all Atheists by Rooney and che? Do you apply the same standard the Christians and judge them by Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell?

[Drake Tungsten]

Not all atheists are bigots. A large and very vocal subset of them are, however.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Agathon


I don't know if Plato was married. It's not unlikely, but it wouldn't stop him being bisexual - which was probably the norm.

He did not get the "meat injection" from Socrates because respectable Greek men did not allow buggery; it would make them too much like women. There's a passage in the Gorgias where Socrates wins an argument by pointing out to his interlocutor that the interlocutor's position commits him to the shameful claim that taking it up the ass is good.

But all this is academic. Plato thinks that all sex is degrading. That's why the Symposium ranks it below friendship. It's essentially the way that animals participate in a form of immortality, but since we humans are immortal there is really no need for it.

I doubt bisexuality was the norm. From Symposium it is derived that:

_The Athenian population frowned on those who engage in homosexual acts.
_Sparta executed those found to engage in such acts.

Besides no matter the oustanding achievements, Greeks remain humans. And humans are homosexual in a below a 10% of the general population. So the whining in Symposium about how the Athenian population looked down on homosexuals and their executions in Sparta can be seen in this context as well.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ned
I'm sure you have all heard by now the story that Andy Rooney said on the Imus show something to the effect that he did not want to go to see this movie because it would make him laugh and that Imus responded with his own laughter.

All I can say to the both of them is that this bigotry and hatred of Christianity has got to stop!

heard that on Bill O'Reilly's radio show. Do you listen to his radio show? Although I suppose all the other conservative radio shows were probably talking about it. I really don't listen to that much.

[Dis]

Originally posted by nostromo
I think we should leave the concept of proof where it belongs: in mathematics.

heh, a recent article I read, accounts how many mathematical proofs are wrong

[Nostromo]

Originally posted by Dissident


heh, a recent article I read, accounts how many mathematical proofs are wrong

Don't believe everything you read.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Not all atheists are bigots. A large and very vocal subset of them are, however.

Which wouldn't be different from any major religion, except perhaps Buddhism. I certainly haven't seen as much bigotry coming from atheists about religion as I've seen from religionists towards atheists. It's still acceptable to mock atheists, and seems to be a tolerated prejudice. I remember when a local group in Maryland where my parents live put up a billboard on the main highway there that said "Celebrate the Atheist Holiday - April Fools Day." I somehow think an atheist billboard with such a tone towards religion would be met with howls of indignation.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident


heard that on Bill O'Reilly's radio show. Do you listen to his radio show? Although I suppose all the other conservative radio shows were probably talking about it. I really don't listen to that much.

Dissident, I have actually seen the tape several times on various news channels. Almost any discussion of the Passion seems to include the Imus/Rooney tape.

As to the Bill O'Reilly radio show, no, I listen to Rush Limbaugh whenever I have a chance and the two of them are on at the same time.

[Ned]

One either believes in God, or gods, or one does not. Atheism goes one step further and declares that there is no God and that people who do believe in God are -- well you pick the word. Whenever word you pick, it is not a kind word.

It is very clear to me that atheism is built on hatred of religion. I have never seen anything or heard anything from an atheist that is inconsistent with this view.