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**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 20:57

I just got back from seeing the Passion. I would describe the movie in one word: Love.

**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 22:10

Originally posted by nostromo
I've seen it. The photography was fine. The torture scene was very graphic. But I think Gibson went overboard. Frankly, I don't think someone could survive such a beating and remain conscious, let alone carry a cross on his back. That said, I found the movie incredibly boring. After one hour, I was saying to myself: get crucified and die already! die! die! die! It doesn't even come close to Zephireli's movie or, for that matter, Scorsese's.

I am sure, Nostromo, that you are not a Catholic. The movie was accuarate and faithful and, above all, realistic. There is no doubt that Gibson was trying to give us not only the story of Jesus, but the reality of his passion in crucifixion. I think he succeeded. I was enormously moved by this movie. It is an ultimate work of love.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 22:14

Boris, one can never prove that Jesus did not exist.

No one proves a negative.

**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 22:14

I'm sure you have all heard by now the story that Andy Rooney said on the Imus show something to the effect that he did not want to go to see this movie because it would make him laugh and that Imus responded with his own laughter.

All I can say to the both of them is that this bigotry and hatred of Christianity has got to stop!

**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 22:16

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Boris, one can never prove that Jesus did not exist.

No one proves a negative.

My point.

The Atheists cannot prove that God does not exist. Neither can they prove that Jesus did not exist.

Atheism is not about the search for truth.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 22:16

Yes, because when one thinks of Andy Rooney and Imus we think bigotry of Christians.

One would think that people who will vote for Bush would not be the ones you'd want to rail against for being bigotted against Christianity.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 22:17

The Atheists cannot prove that God does not exist. Neither can they prove that Jesus did not exist.

Atheism is not about the search for truth.

Well of course it is... because Christians haven't proven that God does exist and that Jesus does exist.

In fact NO ONE can prove that God exists.

**Drake Tungsten** · February 27, 2004, 23:01

Yes, because when one thinks of Andy Rooney and Imus we think bigotry of Christians.

No, but I do think of loudmouth idiots...

**Nostromo** · February 27, 2004, 23:04

Originally posted by Ned

I am sure, Nostromo, that you are not a Catholic.

In fact, I was catholic. Now I'm either an atheist or an agnostic. I'm not sure and I don't care, really.

The movie was accuarate and faithful and, above all, realistic.

Well, it's accurate and faithful to the bible account. It doesn't mean, however, that it's historically accurate.

There is no doubt that Gibson was trying to give us not only the story of Jesus, but the reality of his passion in crucifixion. I think he succeeded. I was enormously moved by this movie. It is an ultimate work of love.

Yes, I think you have a point here. One of the interesting things in the movie is the hyperrealism. Like I said, it's extremely graphic. Even the crucification itself.
While it's interesting, it didn't move me. Blood and gore doesn't do it for me anymore. I still think Zephirelli's movie is infinitely superior. It moved me when I was a child and moves me now, even if I'm not a believer anymore. It's just a great story.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 23:14

No, but I do think of loudmouth idiots...

I also said Imus.. not just Rooney

**Drake Tungsten** · February 27, 2004, 23:15

Imus is an idiot too. He just looks like less of an idiot next to Rooney, as anyone would.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 23:16

Naw, Imus is the man.

**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 23:50

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

The Atheists cannot prove that God does not exist. Neither can they prove that Jesus did not exist.

Atheism is not about the search for truth.

Well of course it is... because Christians haven't proven that God does exist and that Jesus does exist.

In fact NO ONE can prove that God exists.

Imran, Atheism is about anti-religious bigotry.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 27, 2004, 23:51

Just like Christianity is about religious bigotry?

**Ned** · February 27, 2004, 23:52

I don't have a clue why CBS doesn't just fire that bigot Rooney.

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