The Passion rotten so far

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I don't dispute their claims of a promised Messiah. It is just that I dispute that the other groups ever declared the promised Messiah as being someone other than Christ during the time of Christ.

What basis would you have to say this? After all, do you think our records of the era are complete?

[DanS]

Do you understand that most of you are all discussing about a movie you haven't seen yet?

Why let that stop them?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nah. I gotta love everybody. Even you molly.

Fine words butter no parsnips.

' - Lady Cicely: The Atlas Mountains? We'll make an excursion to them tomorrow, Howard.

- Rankin: That's impossible, my lady. The natives are very dangerous.

- Lady Cicely: Why? Has any explorer been shooting them?

- Rankin: No, but every man of them believes he will go to heaven if he kills an unbeliever.

- Lady Cicely: Bless you, dear Mr. Rankin, the people in England believe that they will go to heaven if they give all their property to the poor. BUT THEY DON'T DO IT. '

(my emphasis)

Captain Brassbound's Conversion,

George Bernard Shaw

[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by Ned
I've already pointed out that they took Jesus to Annas, the deposed high priest, first. Then Annas and Caiphas together tried him. They both went to Pilate.

You cannot say with a straight face that this was the work of the Roman lapdog Caiphas alone.

Ned- if you read my posts, you see OVER AND OVER, that I DO NOT SAY THIS.

But does it say anywhere that Pilate was UNAWARE of Jesus existence? Does it say that Pilate had never spoken to Caiphas about Jesus? DOES IT SAY THAT THEY TOOK ROMAN SOLDIERS TO ARREST HIM WITHOUT PILATE'S PERMISSION?

my face =

[Ben Kenobi]

Fine words butter no parsnips.

You fond of Shaw? I like some of his stuff too. Particularly Mrs. Warren's Profession. However,

the people in England believe that they will go to heaven if they give all their property to the poor. BUT THEY DON'T DO IT

Can it really be said that they believe in something they do not do? And secondly, why do you believe that I do not love you?

[The Mad Viking]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

The credentials of the person vetting an argument don't deem the debate "scholarly" or not--the scholarship of the argument itself does. While not likely to happen often, a layman can compose a scholarly argument as well as a degreed "scholar."

Well that settles it. We agree to disagree.

I feel a little better knowing that the rest of the world agrees with me.

Seriously, the credentials define the scholar. A layman may be able to pose a scholarly argument, but it will never be published in a scholarly journal. Why? Because he is not a scholar. He does not have the credentials.

I am NOT defending the principles of scholarship. I could have been a scholar, and chose not to. Very confining and dogmatic.

[Brundlefly]

Question for Christians: If someone attempts to challenge Christianity while having a discussion with you, do you consider that person to be an agent of Satan?

[Ben Kenobi]

If someone attempts to challenge Christianity while having a discussion with you, do you consider that person to be an agent of Satan?

Depends on the topic at hand.

If we are talking about something totally unrelated to religion, then I start to worry.

Otherwise, I just chalk it up to skepticism, and think nothing more of it.

[NeOmega]

I was thinking of watching it, but when I learned it only focused on the last 12 hours of his life, and not how he lived the rest, I decided against it. I would support a movie about The entire life of Jesus, not just his bloody crucifiction.

[Ned]

NeOmega, there are flashbacks to his earlier life, if that makes any difference.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by bfg9000
Question for Christians: If someone attempts to challenge Christianity while having a discussion with you, do you consider that person to be an agent of Satan?

An 'agent of Satan' is a little strong but Satan is definitely working through them.

[Ned]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking


Ned- if you read my posts, you see OVER AND OVER, that I DO NOT SAY THIS.

But does it say anywhere that Pilate was UNAWARE of Jesus existence? Does it say that Pilate had never spoken to Caiphas about Jesus? DOES IT SAY THAT THEY TOOK ROMAN SOLDIERS TO ARREST HIM WITHOUT PILATE'S PERMISSION?

my face =

Only one of the gospels says that Roman soldiers were involved in the arrest.

However, even if they were used, how does this necessarily implicate Pilate in the arrest since all versions say that the antendants of the High Priests were also there. Could the High Priests ask the Tribune to make an arrest without getting the procurator's permission?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh


An 'agent of Satan' is a little strong but Satan is definitely working through them.

That'll be good news for Jews, Muslims and Hindus, and all those espousing no religious faith.

Is there a Satanic employment agency located somewhere convenient for me to get to, because I feel I should be able to claim backpay for work already done?

[Jon Miller]

no

Satan considers you a slave to him

JM

[Jon Miller]

no

Satan considers you a slave to him

JM