Hanoi John

[Ned]

OK. I do not criticized Kerry for his service in Vietnam even though he himself criticizes his service as being of the war criminal nature. I criticized him heavily for what he did after he returned from Vietnam and began his activities in support of the North Vietnamese. Those activities have continued throughout his Senate tenure and continue even to this day as exhibited by the topic of this thread.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Ask the Tibetans.

What about them?

[Hueij]

Rather, the problem is that you - who allegedly reported another poster to the proper authorities for wishing death upon Bush - are explicitly saying somebody should be shot.

Ouch!

[Ben Kenobi]

It's been a year since Kerry could have served as chair and it hasn't been passed by the Senate.

So let's get this straight.

The leader of the party that is supposed to be liberal values trade over human rights?

Kerry had an opportunity to stop genocide as it is happening in Viet Nam. Rather than taking advantage of his opportunity, he chose to kill the bill before it came up in the Senate. Now, would a proper liberal, rather than what Kerry is pulling, actually endorse the bill as a supporter of human rights?

[Imran Siddiqui]

There is an unwritten rule that any senator can put a "hold" on a bill.

Where?

The leader of the party that is supposed to be liberal values trade over human rights?

How was he the 'leader' of the party? He was never Majority Leader. And yes, look at Clinton's dealings with China. The 'liberal' party very much likes capitalism.

Now, would a proper liberal, rather than what Kerry is pulling, actually endorse the bill as a supporter of human rights?

Depends on other considerations. Such as me and Mad Monk were looking at the timing and wondering if 9/11 had anything to do with shelving it.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Kerry had an opportunity to stop genocide as it is happening in Viet Nam. Rather than taking advantage of his opportunity, he chose to kill the bill before it came up in the Senate. Now, would a proper liberal, rather than what Kerry is pulling, actually endorse the bill as a supporter of human rights?

In other words, this action debunks the claim that Kerry is an extreme liberal and shows that even Republicans should be voting for Kerry...

[Ben Kenobi]

Nah.

It shows how little liberal is in Kerry in the first place.

How was he the 'leader' of the party?

He is the leading Democratic nominee, is he not?

if 9/11 had anything to do with shelving it.

It might delay the bill from being revived, but not so much absolving Kerry's actions.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It shows how little liberal is in Kerry in the first place.

That's bad for the general election how?

He is the leading Democratic nominee, is he not?

Until he wins the nomination, he's still just a candidate.

It might delay the bill from being revived, but not so much absolving Kerry's actions.

And what were his actions. I mean you don't even know if he 'killed' it, if it was tabled, if it was put on the bottom of the list or what. You have no idea!

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

There is an unwritten rule that any senator can put a "hold" on a bill.

Where?

Imran, trust me on this. I had been involved with enough legislation on Capitol Hill to know that any senator can place any bill on hold just by saying so. I believe this is a lew of conducting a filibuster that would require a cloture vote. So they don't go through the entire formalities of a filibuster, but instead allow every senator an implied filibuster right.

It is a very common practice and is used by both parties.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, trust me on this. I had been involved with enough legislation on Capitol Hill to know that any senator can place any bill on hold just by saying so.

So if a Democrat senator said that he wants to put a hold on the Bush budget (with tax cuts), the Republicans will let him? COME ON!

[Ned]

Imran, Budgets? Probably not. But any legislation like the topic of this thread, yes.

[The Mad Monk]

...so nobody knows what putting a bill under "General Orders" means?

[Imran Siddiqui]

But any legislation like the topic of this thread, yes.

I doubt it. If the Republicans cared about it so much, they'd forget Kerry's objection.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Why can't he be chairman?

He's in the minority party.

The GOP have only than 2 votes avantage go some chairman post went to the other party also.

[chequita guevara]

He's in politics, he's in Washington, he's corrupt. What's the surprise? He's just less corrupt than Bush. Vote for the slightly less criminal.