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[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Yup, but it is not their role to teach discipline IMHO. And enforcement of discipline at school definitely doesn't requires corporeal punishment: put the unruly kid one hour in an empty room (except for the warden), where he'll get bored like hell, have him lectured by the director, or simply give him bad marks and warn the parents for them to teach their kid accordingly.

Spiffor, This simply does not work. Great idea...no practical value. Most of the kids that misbehave are also poor students. What jackass came up with the idea of taking poor students, who don't want to be in class anyway, out of the classroom as punishment? I can tell you for a fact that this is no problem to the kids. Now threaten to bust them and suddenly, magically, they become reasonable and want to try to improve.

[Ned]

I read this entire thread without encountering one explanation as to why corporal punishment is morally wrong when it is acknowledged to be effective with respect to kids of a relatively young age. Lack of discipline plagues many school systems in United States and is a proximate cause of the very poor education of American youth. Corporal punishment may be just the ticket for correcting the decline in American education.

[Dis]

yes. I was never punished physically as a kid. And look how bad I turned out...

[Asher]

I live in a civilized country, and I was never paddled, nor smacked, nor physically touched in any manner that could be construed as violent. Nor has anyone that I know of in my years of public schooling, and we had no problems really.

I think there are better ways, even though I won't deny corporal punishment is effective and sometimes most effective, it's not the only effective way for most children.

[Ned]

Asher, I went to Catholic schools growing up. We were not corporally punished, but we had discipline.

My Daughter went to public schools both in Minnesota and California. The kids were well disciplined in Minnesota and utterly undisciplined in California. The schools were like that in 1975 as well when I visited my nephew's school in San Diego. Complete chaos.

Thus, I know that schools can be well disciplined without corporal punishment. However, when one sees what is going on in California, one begins to wonder if there is any realistic alternative.

[Asher]

I went to school in California for four years, grades 5 through 8, and I don't see what you're talking about. It was a fine learning environment.

[Ned]

Asher, good for you.

Where did you go to school?

[Asher]

San Ramon. It's a suburb in the Bay Area.

[Ted Striker]

Let's be honest:

Today's schools are churning out mentally weak pussies by the droves.

Sometimes the best thing you can give somebody is a swift kick in the azz. You then follow this up later by talking to them to build them back up. You can't just kick their azz and then just leave them there, that makes them get worse. But if you kick their azz and then follow it up with encouragement, that is a solid method of shaping a young kid's mind. Certainly he will remember it for a very long time.


Being sensitive and being tough are not mutually exclusive

John Kerry is an example of the kind of person who is both tough (has 3 Purple Hearts) but also sensitive to others (took up the plight of US atrocities in Vietnam)

[Ted Striker]

We need to look to men like Kerry to shape our youth

Not Oprah

[Ned]

Originally posted by Asher
San Ramon. It's a suburb in the Bay Area.

I am willing to bet that you got a relatively good education there as well.

I wonder why some schools are completely out of control and others well disciplined?

[Ned]

Plight of US attrocities in Vietnam!!!

Kerry has earned the undying opprobrium of Vietnam veterans for that!!!!!

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Let's be honest:

Today's schools are churning out mentally weak pussies by the droves.

Sometimes the best thing you can give somebody is a swift kick in the azz. You then follow this up later by talking to them to build them back up. You can't just kick their azz and then just leave them there, that makes them get worse. But if you kick their azz and then follow it up with encouragement, that is a solid method of shaping a young kid's mind. Certainly he will remember it for a very long time.


Being sensitive and being tough are not mutually exclusive

John Kerry is an example of the kind of person who is both tough (has 3 Purple Hearts) but also sensitive to others (took up the plight of US atrocities in Vietnam)

Kerry is a weasal politician. He flip-flops on issues so often it makes me sick. I'm getting tired of him bringup up his Vietnam experience. But I don't like what Bush is doing to the country (and to science especially). I may just abstain this election.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Ned
Plight of US attrocities in Vietnam!!!

Kerry has earned the undying opprobrium of Vietnam veterans for that!!!!!

He IS a vet dude

Got wounded 3 times doing it too

He not only talked the talk but he actually walked it.

He was fighting FOR the common soldier, blasting guys like MacNamera and lower level commanders for doing sh1t like sending a bunch of kids to die for countless stupid hills that were abandoned the next day.

[Ned]

Ted, you don't have a clue.

Kerry would be torn limb from limb if he were to attend a Vietnam Veterans reunion.