In which all but the most conservative polypeople have a stroke...

[Lefty Scaevola]

Hell, boys, in some districts in Teksus, we all still shoot the little mavericks in the ass with a shotgun load of rock salt when they act up.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Azazel
not for a couple of hours. send him to his room, until he promisses not to do it again, and if he does, THEN send him for a lot of time. Then, he'll understand.

You've not answered the real question. We live in a society that defines physical pain as the worse bad. Why?

Young kids are unable of moral reflexion- they only understand punishment and reward. You must punish them in a way. So, why is physical pain an inappropriate way to go?

[Tripledoc]

Re: In which all but the most conservative polypeople have a stroke...

Originally posted by Elok
Paddling as a form of punishment in school is still allowed in 22 of the United States.

Good grief. I remember that from the Babtist summercamp. We were ordered into canoes which were defineatly not seaworthy. Me and my friend paddled like hell, bet we sunk midways across the lake.

[Az]

You've not answered the real question. We live in a society that defines physical pain as the worse bad. Why?

Young kids are unable of moral reflexion- they only understand punishment and reward. You must punish them in a way. So, why is physical pain an inappropriate way to go?

I don't know, I did have moral reflexion. I hated to hurt my parents, and they looked like they took offence at my bad behavior, so I stopped.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Azazel
I don't know, I did have moral reflexion. I hated to hurt my parents, and they looked like they took offence at my bad behavior, so I stopped.

Well, I know Kohlberg is contested, but here are the six 'stages':

-reward and punishment
-instrumentalization
-good boy
-social order
-social contract
-universal principles

It seems like what you describe is stage 3- morality is about getting your peers' approval. Depending on education and innate intelligence, this is usually the level of kids aged 7-12.
The only moral level that doesn't need a punishment to function is level 6. All others require some form of enforcement. The decision that pain would not be an enforcement tool is purely arbitrary.

From my personal memory, I remember that I rarely truly regretted what I did for the sake of it, but rather for seeing my parents (who held the monopoly of the 'good boy' statement) disappointed.
True, at this point, physical pain is rarely required, but that's because the individual has mastered more complex forms of moral behavior, which is just another form of inflicting 'pain'.

[Odd]

I support beating children as long as a doctor is present to make sure that the kid will survive and to also guarantee that the injuries will be easily concealed. A good method is using a baseball bat to hit him in his feet's sole.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
I went to private schools in Michigan and was paddled quite often. Actually, the teacher usually used a yardstick or pointer. I'm not sure whether or not I support it, but I will say one thing, there were alot less problems and the faculty had alot more control of the schools then they do now.

You can't suggest that using the paddle helped keep control when you say you had to be subjected to it quite often... if it was successful you wouldn't have received it more than once, surely...

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Odd
I support beating children as long as a doctor is present to make sure that the kid will survive and to also guarantee that the injuries will be easily concealed. A good method is using a baseball bat to hit him in his feet's sole.

[The Mad Monk]

One-off success or nothing? Nah.

Some skulls are thicker than others, and take longer to crack.

[Berzerker]

Works better than "time outs"

[Nubclear]

I support paddling

[JohnT]

So I'm correct in assuming all the non-corporal punishment people don't have their own kids?

Azazel? Whaleboy?

[Spiffor]

I think coporeal punishment is sometimes a necessity as a parent. Because kids (especially young kids) are sometimes completely unwilling to have a moral reflection.

But I don't think it is the teacher's role to beat a kid. A teacher is here to transfer knowledge. He's not here to replace the parents at teaching discipline.

On these grounds, I am actually not in complete disagreement with recess' watchers physically punishing bullies for having hurt their classmates. Of course, such a thing would need clearance from the parents and an accountable process.

[JohnT]

In regards to this sort of punishment in school, I would demand that the school call me before they did it.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Gibsie


You can't suggest that using the paddle helped keep control when you say you had to be subjected to it quite often... if it was successful you wouldn't have received it more than once, surely...

Every kid is different. Some kids are better behaved, some are hell-raisers. They start out that way, and they're like that for the rest of their lives.