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  • Originally posted by Ned
    Oncle Boris, Now, just what is your recipe for Iraq.
    I'm not sure. Bremer did a very bad move by discarding everything even remotely Baath. By destroying the secular forces, he paved the way for the Shii to impose a Muslim state.

    This criticism is widely accepted: many joined the Baath because it was required to receive healthcare, or just to avoid being annoyed by the regime.
    Because of this mistake, the new police force is weak, the fundies are gaining momentum, and, worse, 450 000 armed and trained men have nothing to do.

    Hell, they could NEVER have rebuilt Germany without the 'former' Nazis.

    If the US had done a competent job, I'd be satisfied- not that I hold Bush in great esteem, but at least I'd be thankful he didn't screw things up.
    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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    • BTW, not going there could have been good, too.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • Read Edmund Burke, especially 'Reflections on the Revolution in France'. Since he is the father of modern conservatism, he'd basically defined the term
        Thank you Imran. I mentioned Burke how long ago in this thread?
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        • Originally posted by Oncle Boris


          I'm not sure. Bremer did a very bad move by discarding everything even remotely Baath. By destroying the secular forces, he paved the way for the Shii to impose a Muslim state.

          This criticism is widely accepted: many joined the Baath because it was required to receive healthcare, or just to avoid being annoyed by the regime.
          Because of this mistake, the new police force is weak, the fundies are gaining momentum, and, worse, 450 000 armed and trained men have nothing to do.

          Hell, they could NEVER have rebuilt Germany without the 'former' Nazis.

          If the US had done a competent job, I'd be satisfied- not that I hold Bush in great esteem, but at least I'd be thankful he didn't screw things up.
          Well, if you the following my posts on Apolyton for very long you will note that I partially agree with you. I think disbanding the Iraqi army was a mistake. After all, is mainly the Iraqi army which is conducting the resistance.

          I think the Baathist would have never cooperated with the coalition. It seems that Saddam had a plan to conduct a guerrilla war. There was nothing we could do or could have done to prevent it.

          That said, I think the new Iraqi army will be much better trained and much more professional than the Iraqi army under Saddam. That army was a complete mess.
          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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          • I don't understand why there would be affirmative action for right-wight academics. Surely anyone right-wing is (by definition) stupid and shouldn't be hired as an academic.

            They will be wanting affirmative action for low IQ's next....

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            • Originally posted by Sikander
              How much do you weigh?

              Commies tend to be fat.
              Like most Americans.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • Originally posted by Rogan Josh
                I don't understand why there would be affirmative action for right-wight academics. Surely anyone right-wing is (by definition) stupid and shouldn't be hired as an academic.

                They will be wanting affirmative action for low IQ's next....
                The arrogance of the left is simply amazing!
                http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                • Originally posted by Rogan Josh
                  They will be wanting affirmative action for low IQ's next....
                  own goal!

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                  • Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                    I don't feel like going through the whole debate again, especially with you, , but here are some points:

                    1. the hypocrisy of the admin, and the false evidence used
                    2. the actual destabilization of the ME- security my ass! the war in Iraq is screwing things even more
                    3. from another viewpoint, the world was appalled by the apperent lack of self-criticism by America in the whole affair
                    4. and remember, the embargo killed more people than Saddam ever did.

                    Despite all of this, I was, personally, a mild supporter of the war in Iraq. Even though I despised the hypocrisy of the admin (esp. on the embargo issue, which, in fact, HELPED Saddam, by making friendship with the regime much more valuable), I had hoped that, for once, the Yanks would be able to build something at least better than Saddam's regime.

                    Seeing, once again, how they are screwing things up (you guys just CAN'T handle a foreign country right), well, I'm quite disenchanted and joined the protesting side.
                    What does this have to do with conservatives, except in a remote, indirect way? How was Iraq the culmination of some sort of fundamentally "conservative" policy?

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                    • @ Rogan
                      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                      • dp
                        http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                        • Quite a 'dp' there Ned .
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • Yeah, that's what I thought.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • Sorry, it was post intended for another thread.

                              How do you delete posts or indicate that they were mistakenly posted?
                              http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                              • Usually putting "nm" will do the trick.

                                NM = Never Mind.

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