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  • and you have even less. IF WE ARE STILL RUNNING A ****ING DEFICIT THEN HE HASNT CUT ENOUGH. or does senor fez no comprende?
    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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    • Quoted from the article

      "When you restore the Reagan-Wilson 11% tax bracket," Angelides says, that raises $2.4 billion in one year and affects roughly 1% of the population. The "same 1% gets $12.76 billion worth of federal tax cuts this year," by Angelides' accounting.

      I say raise taxes on the wealthy. They can afford it the most.
      Who is Barinthus?

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      • yeah. cut medical all the way.
        "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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        • Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
          and you have even less. IF WE ARE STILL RUNNING A ****ING DEFICIT THEN HE HASNT CUT ENOUGH. or does senor fez no comprende?
          Why don't we just suspend government while you are at it? What are you? An anarchist? We can't cut into basic services. There is so much excess fat that has been cut.

          Raising taxes on the weathly would be the stupidest thing to do.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • Fez is being a dumbass, as usual.

            if low taxes give economic prosperity then why did we have such a powerful economy in the 50's when the highest tax bracket payed something like 70% in taxes. STFU before we shove you out of a helicopter over Cuba.

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            • Originally posted by Giancarlo

              Raising taxes on the weathly would be the stupidest thing to do.
              History proves you wrong, you Moron. Keynes would be flogging you if he was here.

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              • Originally posted by Odin


                History proves you wrong, you Moron. Keynes would be flogging you if he was here.
                Keynes is a dumbass.

                if low taxes give economic prosperity then why did we have such a powerful economy in the 50's when the highest tax bracket payed something like 70% in taxes. STFU before we shove you out of a helicopter over Cuba.
                They still pay the most taxes, dude.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • Originally posted by Giancarlo
                  Raising taxes on the weathly would be the stupidest thing to do.
                  Stupidest -- why?
                  Who is Barinthus?

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                  • Originally posted by Giancarlo

                    Keynes is a dumbass.
                    Keynes' ideas helped get the US out of the Great Depression, he was a genius, and proved that Supply-side economics doesn't work. If you disagree with him then BACK IT UP, untill then you are just BSing and trolling.

                    They still pay the most taxes, dude.
                    I don't give a flying sh*t. They should pay more, they have enough money already.

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                    • Actually World War II brought America out of the Great Depression.

                      Nothing like that good ol' military-industrial complex to help your economy get started and running.
                      Who is Barinthus?

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                      • Originally posted by DataAeolus
                        Actually World War II brought America out of the Great Depression.

                        Nothing like that good ol' military-industrial complex to help your economy get started and running.
                        I'm talking about the New Deal programs

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                        • Originally posted by Odin


                          Keynes' ideas helped get the US out of the Great Depression, he was a genius, and proved that Supply-side economics doesn't work. If you disagree with him then BACK IT UP, untill then you are just BSing and trolling.
                          WWII got the US out of the Great Depression because of increased industrial production, not Keynesist ideas.

                          The new deal did little to help.

                          You commie, this is a place where people can keep the wage they earn and not have it illegally redistributed.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • True, those did help. World War II was the nitro in the gasline tank although.
                            Who is Barinthus?

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                            • They are for illegal immigration and drug abuse... doesn't sound free market to me. Free market comes with a branch of morality.


                              You're such a dunce!

                              But remember when Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and raised the minimum wage. Republicans predicted economic collapse--but instead we got the longest sustained growth in the history of the U.S.


                              Now imagine how much greater that growth could have been without those actions . I don't think a dot-com boom had anything to do with higher taxes and minimum wage .

                              if low taxes give economic prosperity then why did we have such a powerful economy in the 50's when the highest tax bracket payed something like 70% in taxes.


                              Why did we have higher economic prosperity during the 60s when taxes were cut substantially by Kennedy?

                              Keynes would be flogging you if he was here.


                              No he wouldn't. Keynes would have no problem with cutting taxes on the wealthiest. As long as there was some deficit spending priming the pump and they were to pump up the demand side, it'd be good.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • what i want to know is that are tax cuts counted towards a government deficit, or is it just a transfer payment.

                                id think its a transfer paymenet, so that means that a deficit brought on by tax cut wouldnt really be priming the pump would it.
                                "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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