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    California voters: Do you support prop 57 and 58?

    http://www.yes57and58.org/


    "Passage of Propositions 57 and 58 – the California Balanced Budget Package – are the first steps in California's economic recovery. Proposition 57 will refinance past deficits at a time of historic low interest rates. Proposition 58 will make sure California lives within its means in the future."
    — Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

    "'Yes' votes on propositions 57 and 58 are essential to the financial welfare of California. Without their passage, the cuts and tax increases that will be required to balance the budget will be astounding. The California Balanced Budget Package is the first step in getting our fiscal house in order."
    — Democratic Controller Steve Westly
    I do support both of them because they will be the only way to stabilize the budget. What is your take on this for those who are California voters?

    *I will vote for both because I am of age and a California resident.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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    I do not support either of these and will drive a tank in the street to defeat them.
    http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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    • #3
      Fez,

      By the quotes you post, it appears that the issue has bi-partisan support. Is this correct?

      monkspider,

      Why?
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PLATO
        Fez,

        By the quotes you post, it appears that the issue has bi-partisan support. Is this correct?

        monkspider,

        Why?
        Bipartisanship is not bad. It is needed right now in California. The fiscal responsibility that comes with each bill will help ease the situation, both of these have been heavily endorsed by Governor Arnold.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #5
          I agree that bipartisanship is not bad. It is just so unusual. These must be truly needed things if Repubs and Demos can agree on them.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PLATO
            I agree that bipartisanship is not bad. It is just so unusual. These must be truly needed things if Repubs and Demos can agree on them.
            California is just too messed up for the democrats to go off on their own tangant on this one.. and Arnold has a lot of support.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #7
              Well I believe that refinancing debt to low fixed rate terms should be a no-brainer. Where I am shocked that legislators show agreement is in the spending restraints. That one will dominate how politics works in Cali for a long while.

              These things are good. I have started doing a lot of business in Cali of late and would like to see good things happen for their economy.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #8
                Fez,

                You are wrong, Arnold is the butcher of the working class and must be overthrown. The people of California have spoken.
                http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by monkspider
                  Fez,

                  You are wrong, Arnold is the butcher of the working class and must be overthrown. The people of California have spoken.
                  You're acting moronic. Arnold was elected by a majority. Now go believe in your delusions. Stupid socialism doesn't work in the US.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #10
                    Not Californian, but I'd be interested in more info on these propositions. As stated, they are meaningless platitudes. What are the actual plans to achieve these (worthy) goals?
                    "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
                    "you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
                    "I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident

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                    • #11
                      You are wrong Fez because I will drive a tank in the street to defeat such ideas.
                      http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kontiki
                        Not Californian, but I'd be interested in more info on these propositions. As stated, they are meaningless platitudes. What are the actual plans to achieve these (worthy) goals?
                        I am thinking the site would contain more information on the subject.

                        monkspider, you can take your spamming elsewhere. We are actually discussing real world politics here.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #13
                          You are wrong because you are discussing fantasy world fascism. It doesn't work in real life kiddo.
                          http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by monkspider
                            You are wrong Fez because I will drive a tank in the street to defeat such ideas.
                            This one's gonna be good. Fight to the death, monkspider.
                            "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                            Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by monkspider
                              You are wrong because you are discussing fantasy world fascism. It doesn't work in real life kiddo.
                              Please stop spamming this thread. It was directed towards a specific issue, and these props have bipartisan support. So piss off.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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