California voters: Do you support prop 57 and 58?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I'll say this. I understand the positions that people have on marijuana legalisation. But legalising cocaine or heroin? People who want that are half wit idiots who do not have an argument for such a stupid argument.

And just ask yourself this: Who can buy drugs at such high prices? Fewer can. And your numbers are bogus. Also... legalising it will bring in an influx of supply, thus cancelling out any loss in sales for the illegal drug trade.

England have for along time than program that gave they regur heron addit heron legality and Marget Trachet (the DinBat) want to end it because Ronald Regan(than other DinBat) want England to end it. The most converst inst in England fought her evil plan, the inst was Stockland Yard(London police and England FBI).
Marget Trachet I believe lost the fight.

[Barinthus]

All I have to say on this matter is look at Amsterdam. They seem to be doing just fine.

[CharlesBHoff]

Cocaine is use as than pain killer and local athesian(spray around than foot to remove than ingrown toenail). Heron is than very powerful painkiller given as than painkiller in England and some European countries with terminate illness like Cancer and who are in alot of pain. Heron can kill you in 6 month but does it matter to than terminate parient what kill then dead is dead. At least under heron they die happy and pain free.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

And just ask yourself this: Who can buy drugs at such high prices? Fewer can. And your numbers are bogus. Also... legalising it will bring in an influx of supply, thus cancelling out any loss in sales for the illegal drug trade.

ok this makes no sense. how are the numbers bogus. prove it. now, legalizing it will mean an increase in supply, and since its legal, there wont be any more illegal drug trade. the gangs who run them now and fight over territory wont have anything to sell since you will be able to buy it at your local cafe/store/smoke shop. why go out oon the streets where its dangerous, when you can pick an an eighth at your supermarket in the vegetable isle?
and since there will be more supply and since the risks of running it wont have to be factored into the costs, the price of all drugs will come down

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


ok this makes no sense. how are the numbers bogus. prove it. now, legalizing it will mean an increase in supply,

And lower prices thus enabling more people to get a hold of it which is unacceptable.

the gangs who run them now and fight over territory wont have anything to sell since you will be able to buy it at your local cafe/store/smoke shop.

Unacceptable.

when you can pick an an eighth at your supermarket in the vegetable isle?

You sound like a moron.. this **** shouldn't sell anywhere and it should be exterminated.

the price of all drugs will come down

Yup meaning more people can buy them, which is also unacceptable.

[Kontiki]

That is, whithout a doubt, the best support for an arguement I've ever seen.

Imagine all the time people waste in university and business writing detailed reports supporting various positions when all they have to do is write "unacceptable" on a piece of paper and hand it in.....

[Lawrence of Arabia]

And lower prices thus enabling more people to get a hold of it which is unacceptable.

which will also decrease crime since people wont have to steal to get it.

You sound like a moron.. this **** shouldn't sell anywhere and it should be exterminated.

and how will we do that? we spend $2 billion a year and the price on the street is going down. you know what that means dont you.

fez, you've got no pragmatism. just cuz its illegal, doesnt mean nobody will do it.

kontiki -

[Deity Dude]

I'm not from Cali but I would still like to comment on the thread if that's OK? Well I'm not gonna wait for permission so I hope its OK - LOL.

Anyways I skipped directly to page 8 and see that somehow this has turned into a discussion of legalizing drugs, BUT I AM GONNA STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC, (then I'll talk about drugs LOL)

PROP 57 - REFINANCE STATE DEBT AT A LOWER RATE.

Sounds like what I did when I remortgaged my home. I took a 13% interest rate and dropped it 6.75%. To me this is the type of common sense solution we need to see more of in government.

PROP 58 - GOVERNMENT MUST BALANCE THE BUDGET

Dose this mean government can't spend more money then they have and can't take more of the people's money than thier bloated budgets require? To me this is the type of common sense solution we need to see more of in government.

LEGALIZATION OF SUBSTANCES DEEMED ILLEGAL BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR SELF CONSUMPTION.

War on Drugs ends saving tons of money, restores some of our lost privacy rights, takes people out of prison who's "crime" was ingesting a substance the government declares illegal, reduces violent crime, restores a person's right to make his own choices abouot his own life whether or not other people agree, plus a million other things. To me this is the type of common sense solution we need to see more of in government.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

'unacceptable' is the professors comment on Fez's paper.

[rev]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


And lower prices thus enabling more people to get a hold of it which is unacceptable.

It's a tradeoff: is the cost of crime as a result of drugs remaining illegal more or less than the cost of individuals harming themselves?

I say this as someone who less than a week ago lost his laptop to a tweeker (speed) kid who stole it to buy glass. (F'n Los Angeles. This kinda stuff NEVER happened back in hippie-pothead Boulder.)

[badams52]

I came into this thread hoping to see some insighful comments on props 57 and 58, but I just couldn't find the time to wade through all the tolling to find those nuggets of inspiration.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


which will also decrease crime since people wont have to steal to get it.



and how will we do that? we spend $2 billion a year and the price on the street is going down. you know what that means dont you.

fez, you've got no pragmatism. just cuz its illegal, doesnt mean nobody will do it.

kontiki -

Doesn't matter. More people will be suffering from drug abuse because it is cheaper to get. And they will have more money to feed their stupid addictions.

I say we go all the way. Adopt the Singaporean guidelines to drugs:

http://www.sfdonline.org/sfd/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/Human%20Rights/hang.html

SINGAPORE, March 19 (Reuters) - Singapore hanged three men on Friday for drug trafficking, the Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) said in a statement.

Friday's executions brought the number of people hanged this year in Singapore to 11.

Chou Kooi Pang was executed for delivering 290.4 grams (9.7 ounces) of diamorphine in Singapore to accomplice Tan Chye Guan. Tan was hanged for possessing the drugs for the purpose of trafficking.

Fok Chia Siong was executed for importing more than 1,300 grams (43 ounces) of cannabis from Malaysia in a separate incident. Fok was caught trying to drive across the Causeway linking Singapore and Malaysia with the drugs in 1997.

Chou and Fok were Malaysians and Tan was a Singaporean, a CNB official said.

Singapore's tough anti-drug laws include a mandatory death sentence for anyone over 18 guilty of trafficking more than 15 grams (half an ounce) of heroin, 30 grams (an ounce) of morphine or 500 grams (18 ounces) of cannabis.

And it works too!

I think we should declare state of emergency, send the national guard out and the problem will be solved almost nearly. Some troops with M-16s and SAWs will solve things.

[rev]

We could round up some gays, too, and throw 'em in the pen for having homosexual sex.

If you think executing people for having marijuana is an appropriate practice in the free world, well, you're sick.

[Giancarlo]

That post was mostly for shock value. And for me to laugh at the responses I get from it.

But other than that, I have no problem with hanging people for having marijuana. Homosexual sex is not similar to marijuana.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I have no problem with hanging people for having marijuana.

Unacceptable!