California voters: Do you support prop 57 and 58?

[rev]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
And as for sodomy laws, how the hell is me taking it you know where weak?

I'm just turning the tables around, trying to put things in perspective. In my opinion, it's not weak at ALL (especially compared to those who are in denial and DON'T know where they want to take it ). I think you should be able to do whatever you want.

But there are many who view homosexuality as a disease, or a blight on humanity, just as you view drug use. In my opinion, it shouldn't even be up for debate -- government shouldn't be looking behind closed doors unless there's a victim.

[rev]

... and they cane you for spitting on the street.

People in Singapore aren't free.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by rev


I'm just turning the tables around, trying to put things in perspective. In my opinion, it's not weak at ALL (especially compared to those who are in denial and DON'T know where they want to take it ). I think you should be able to do whatever you want.

But there are many who view homosexuality as a disease, or a blight on humanity, just as you view drug use. In my opinion, it shouldn't even be up for debate -- government shouldn't be looking behind closed doors unless there's a victim.

Okay I will ease my views on marijuana. (In fact I have.. but I like getting a reaction out of you because I like you) I know where exactly I want it... But lets not go there.

I will just back off right now... I'm feeling a bit higher in spirits right now. I'll admit it right now. I am addicted to chocolate. And three chocolate bars have got me on a higher note.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Hey I like Singapore.. they make a lot of electronics and stuff there and they got big buildings. Somalia doesn't have that.

Stop ducking the question.

You were the one stressing the importance of laws. The law doesn't state that illegal drug use should be punishable by death.

What makes your opinion so special that this law be changed to reflect that?

[rev]

Oh, and just for reference, check this site out:

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/gt/default.asp?topic=country&country=852

"Under Section 377 "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" with any man, woman or animal, is imprisonable for a life term, or for a term up to ten years. Under Section 377A "acts of gross indecency" between males is punishable with up to 2 years imprisonment. Enforcement of these laws is routinely carried by entrapment using decoy officers."

[Giancarlo]

Ummm.. a S'porean friend of mine said they eased laws on homosexuals in recent years.

[MrBaggins]

Yep.. a bit like Texas sodomy laws, I bet... on the books, but not enforced, necessarily... unless they want to find a reason to.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Yep.. a bit like Texas sodomy laws, I bet... on the books, but not enforced, necessarily... unless they want to find a reason to.

Some Historian help get the US hight Court to declare Texas Sodney law unconstitution is they disappove the claim that thought history that law where pass to punich homosexual. The 8th century cannan law have nothing to do with homesexual but with the failture to get than woman pregant every time you have sex with you wife. If outlaw any sexual act that doesnot get your wife pregeant where time you have sex with her and all acts are unnatural. It these act where unnatural there would be no needed for just laws. The Hight court ask the Vacation in Rome about that law than the vacat answer they have than hard time understand what that law meant as it was poorly written.

In America history antosodney laws where more use in divorse case by the woman saying her hushand have unnature sex with her up you know where. Also oral sex between than man and woman can be cover by than anti-sodney law. Not all culture in man history have law homosexual.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by rev
My recent-girlfriend (who's still a friend, we're just seperated by a thousand miles) spent most of her life in Saudi Arabia. Bootlegging (illegal alcohol) is common and strongly linked with drug sales (so alcohol there is the 'gateway drug'). Those who are rich enough just drive out to a nearby country to drink and party, much like teens in southern California (and, indeed, much of the US) do with Tijuana, Mexico.

Alcohol is the most damgous drug of all it does more harm to than person mind and body. I saw the effect first hand on my father an that is one reason I never drank alcohol that much. If drinking alcohol was than new discover as than drug it would have being ban as being more damgous than heron.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Some Historian help get the US hight Court to declare Texas Sodney law unconstitution is they disappove the claim that thought history that law where pass to punich homosexual. The 8th century cannan law have nothing to do with homesexual but with the failture to get than woman pregant every time you have sex with you wife. If outlaw any sexual act that doesnot get your wife pregeant where time you have sex with her and all acts are unnatural. It these act where unnatural there would be no needed for just laws. The Hight court ask the Vacation in Rome about that law than the vacat answer they have than hard time understand what that law meant as it was poorly written.

THAT is very interesting -- especially the part about consulting the Vatican. Is that in the case?

Does anyone have a link. I would be very interested in seeing the Vatican's position on this issue.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Alcohol is the most damgous drug of all it does more harm to than person mind and body. I saw the effect first hand on my father an that is one reason I never drank alcohol that much. If drinking alcohol was than new discover as than drug it would have being ban as being more damgous than heron.

Dittos.

Both my parents became alcoholics in their final years. It was very unpleasant to be around them. Very.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned


THAT is very interesting -- especially the part about consulting the Vatican. Is that in the case?

Does anyone have a link. I would be very interested in seeing the Vatican's position on this issue.

Some conver are angry that the Hight court consult the vatican on that old Cannon law as many anti-homosexual use it in they legal breif for than long time in trial before the court on anti-sodney law. Our founding father want our court to consult with other courts around the world on legal matter. Once they consult with than Islamist court on Estate matter before then as the Court didnot know Islamist law on this case. Than unmuslim trying to make legal touble for than Muslim familty over than Islamist will our court finalty rule Islamist will legal.

[Ned]

Charles, no doubt the Vatican is the authority on Cannonical Law. I am just surprised that they came out with the position that sodomy was not a banned sexual practice in the eyes of the Church.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Charles, no doubt the Vatican is the authority on Cannonical Law. I am just surprised that they came out with the position that sodomy was not a banned sexual practice in the eyes of the Church.

The orginate text was in latin than they cover so much ground that than hushand kissing his wife on the lip could have being consider sodney and the court ask about the wording of law.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I would like to know why you believe I do not believe in liberty.

sure. you support the war in iraq, you're against abortion, you're for social security, against immigration, for the death penalty, against gay marriage, against polygamy, against incest, for the drug war, against legalization of all drugs, for the patriot act, and you support bush, one of the biggest liberty takers of them all.