Counterarguments to Leviticus 20:13

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Elok
But you started the bloody threadjack with your "three questions" way back when! And as I said, the "quote from the old book" was an answer by our standards.

Sorry, MrFun, but I can't start a thread exlusively to settle a beef, and PMs are too easy to ignore. This crap has to end. I might as well point out that you too are a "religionist" referencing an old book, and this isn't really a threadjack, as he's attacking the validity of the subject of the thread, Leviticus being part of said old book.

You have a beef?

That is really too bad.

Well, I am sorry (to the thread starter) if our tete-a-tete disrupted things.

But now Mr Elok is dead set on some kind of catharsis.

My take on the thread is clear as daylight:

The bible is an outdated old book that should have been dumped in the trash of history.
But people still want to run our societies in the info age based on these creaking, primitive scribblings.

There, I'm on topic.

Now, Mr Elok.
Are you ready to leave off?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm prepared to admit that not all comes from the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, given that most documents had fallen apart by the time that an English version was written.

And none of the documents that we have for that time period come from the originals. The bible is pretty good in that they have copies of manuscripts from the 2nd century, for the New Testament, and for the Old Testament, they have the dead sea scrolls.

[Ben Kenobi]

The bible is an outdated old book that should have been dumped in the trash of history.

So, then we should also dump out Plato, Aristophenes, Aristotle, Socrates, Sophocles, and all the Greeks, because their works are old and outdated? How many Scholastics do we see today?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Elok
But you started the bloody threadjack with your "three questions" way back when! And as I said, the "quote from the old book" was an answer by our standards.

Sorry, MrFun, but I can't start a thread exlusively to settle a beef, and PMs are too easy to ignore. This crap has to end. I might as well point out that you too are a "religionist" referencing an old book, and this isn't really a threadjack, as he's attacking the validity of the subject of the thread, Leviticus being part of said old book.

Well I look forward to any discussion in regards to Leviticus in regards to the fact that it applied only to priests (OT term).

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So, then we should also dump out Plato, Aristophenes, Aristotle, Socrates, Sophocles, and all the Greeks, because their works are old and outdated? How many Scholastics do we see today?

If the ideas are outdated, yes.

And that goes for other 'holy' tomes too, such as the koran and bhagavad-gita.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not a very good argument, Mr. Fun.

Section starting from Lev 19:1

The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the entire assembly of Isreal and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.' "

He addresses, not just the priests, but the whole of Israel. There are parts of Leviticus that are devoted to priestly conduct, but Lev 20:13 is not among them.

[Ben Kenobi]

curtsibling:

If the ideas are outdated, yes.

And that goes for other 'holy' tomes too, such as the koran and bhagavad-gita.

So what is the criteria for an idea to be outdated? It cannot be just age, because that would mean we would have to discard the writings of the Greeks.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So what is the criteria for an idea to be outdated?

Things he doesn't like.

[Verto]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Things he doesn't like.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Not a very good argument, Mr. Fun.

Section starting from Lev 19:1

The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the entire assembly of Isreal and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.' "

He addresses, not just the priests, but the whole of Israel. There are parts of Leviticus that are devoted to priestly conduct, but Lev 20:13 is not among them.

Leviticus 20:1

"The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: Say further to the people of Israel: Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel . . ."

This is very similar to the section you quoted, but this one is introducing the same section of the famous quote homophobics like to use.
Howeveer, it seems that since Leviticus is mostly concerned with priests, that when God addressed all of people of Israel, he wanted all of them to know how their priests ought to conduct themselves.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
How many Scholastics do we see today?

None, because it turns out they were wrong. Earth the center of the universe? Hahahahahahaha!

[Ben Kenobi]

Howeveer, it seems that since Leviticus is mostly concerned with priests,

There is a world of difference between 'mostly', and solely concerned with priests.

The passage in question, is directed to the people of Israel. When God speaks concerning priestly conduct, he explicitly clarifies his statement.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


There is a world of difference between 'mostly', and solely concerned with priests.

The passage in question, is directed to the people of Israel. When God speaks concerning priestly conduct, he explicitly clarifies his statement.

I need to go back and reread the entire section that includes the favorite passage of homophobics before I can continue our discussion.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
curtsibling:



So what is the criteria for an idea to be outdated? It cannot be just age, because that would mean we would have to discard the writings of the Greeks.

I look forward to you requesting to be treated according to the medical theories of Galen.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
The passage in question, is directed to the people of Israel. When God speaks concerning priestly conduct, he explicitly clarifies his statement.

So Americans and Europeans are the people of Israel?