The Fwench.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Many French racists look at the US as an example.

I imagine some of your religious population is doing the same at the moment as well.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
French aversion to free speech.

The French haven't enshrined free speech the same way as Americans, and as a result, there are some things you aren't free to say, such as calls for racist hatred, and calls for murder.

Many French racists look at the US as an example. Never mind that, at the same time, they want to ban left-wing newspapers and Marxist books from libraries.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by yavoon
but the french gov't disagrees?

Yes. As you may know, I agree with my government about as much as Sava agrees with Bush

[DinoDoc]

I've seen nothing that changes my original opinion from the last thread on the topic of the French aversion to free speech.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

With regard to proselytism, yes, I think highschoolers can take it, and thus see religious garments.

but the french gov't disagrees?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by yavoon
so high schools will allow u to wear religious garments because they are not of the proper age?

With regard to proselytism, yes, I think highschoolers can take it, and thus see religious garments.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Originally posted by skywalker
How is that kid supposed to learn values?

From his family

SOMEONE has to teach values to the kid. Why not expose children to many beliefs, and let them CHOOSE?

You believe very young children can make an informed choice. I don't. And remember, I'm not speaking about highschoolers here, I'm speaking about 4-7 year olds.

so high schools will allow u to wear religious garments because they are not of the proper age?

or are u just artificially limiting ur argument.

[problem_child]

I'm glad that you enjoyed my joke.

[Drake Tungsten]

But then they made up for some of that unpleasantness in my book by flicking Bush the one fingered salute over Iraq, and their motivations for doing so were entirely altruistic, anti-imperialistic and good.

*gasping breaths*

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Spiffor

"Remember kids! These nice treats are the gift of the communist party! The communist party is your friend! It's better than Santa, because it's true! "

"And if you step out of line, our kommissars will throw you in a furnace!"

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
I sincerely hope that the French wins this cultural battle and causes all religion to wither away.

I like that comment!

Nice one!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Saras
It would be cool if headscarves became the hot teen apparel item in France.

I expect it to be next september

[Akka]

Originally posted by skywalker
You're actually wrong here - the state isn't being neutral with respect to religion, it's SUPPRESSING religion. Being neutral is no advocacy or suppression of any religious view, including atheism.

No, that is passivity.
A neutral zone considering a particular point, is a zone where this particular point is ABSENT. Well, that's the point. Absent.

And saying "keep your beliefs to yourselves while in neutral zone" is not suppressing nor segrating. It's just saying "keep it to yourselves while in this zone".

What's wrong with "proselytising"? It is merely a negative term for trying to convince others of your point of view. If an action is specifically disruptive to the classroom, or ends up with physical harm to a student or property, then yes, it should be stopped, but not because it is "proselytising".

Well, if you don't see the problem with proselytism in school, then I suppose you just can't understand the point to have a neutral state. Guess the concept is lost to you, and then I can hardly make a point about it.

After all, if someone doesn't find any harm in propaganda, it's a bit hard to make him understand that unbiased news are good...

Why don't they have anything to do with school? Students most of all need to learn the importance of independent thought, not be spoon-fed government propoganda.

Funny, someone who blame government propaganda because a point that is precisely aimed at preventing propaganda
Guess you defeat your own argument here. Thanks.

[Saras]

It would be cool if headscarves became the hot teen apparel item in France.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by problem_child

Furthermore I think it's pretty rich for muslims to demand the right of people to wear what they will in a libertarian secular society, when non-islamic women travelling in the muslim world can find themselves harrased or even beaten for not observing the customs of a religion to which they do not even belong.

This point is important in that it demonstrates that the headscarf is not a religious obligation, but a political one.