Russia: No CFE treaty for you!

[Serb]

They did.

It's magic of whip and candy.

[Az]

well, if you're going to fall for that magic, no amount of conventional forces will help you.

[Tripledoc]

Well as a Scandinavian I'm with Russia on this one.
Russia has never posed an aggressive threat to Europe, it has always been the other way round. And when Imperialist or Fascist Europe was aggresive it has always been as a reactionary way out in order to gather the strength to defeat Anglo-Saxon imperial encroachment.

Two local things have made me increasingly suspicious of Anglo Saxon intentions. The Americans are pressuring on to upgrade their radar bases on Greenland, to be compatible with the planned missile defense.

Secondly it has just been revealed in Danish media that, during the Cold War the government handed over the files of 400.000 citizens to American intelligence. This is not democratic behavior.

Thirdly it has been revealed that in the last thirty years no multinational corporation operating in Denmark has ever paid any taxes to the state. The reason stated was they had all run with a deficit for all those years. Then why continue to operate? The money could have been spent on healthcare and other services, instead they have vanished into thin air.

On the global level, it is clear that the Americans have been very agressive towards Russia. During the wars of Yugoslav Succesion, the Americans first supported the neofascist regime in Croatia and subsequently oversaw the ethic cleansing of 200.000 serbs from Krajina.

In the battle over Kosovo the American similarly supported the Albanian fascists and their dream of a greater Albania.

Furthermore under cover of the War on Terrorism the Americans have sprinkled bases to the South of Russia. If Americans are supporting Democracy why are they supporting Uzbekistan, a brutal dictatorship?

To my mind the recent election in Georgia was a coup. It was claimed that Sjevadnadse had commited election fraud. However the evidence for that was presented by an independent American observer group. The UN never made such a claim. I think the reason behind it all is that Sjevadnadse was halting the privatization of various services. Notably the electricity supply. After it was privatized to an American company the Georgians had to pay half their individual income just to cover the electricity bill. Futhermore there were frequent power outages. Under communism the citzens got their electricity for free, and there were no power outages.

[Az]

Russia has never posed an aggressive threat to Europe, it has always been the other way round.

Not quite true for the 19th century. It wasn't true even for WW1.

[Tripledoc]

Well the Austrians attacked Serbia. And then it all went downhill from there. The Russians had to mobilize early because their mobilization procedures were painfully slow, due to the lack of railroad track. Had they waited, the Germans could have simply waded into France.

It was the almost suicidal Russian offensive into Eastern Prussia which forced the Germans to send divisions eastwards. Had the Germans had these divisons aganist France, she would certainly have fallen.

That would have meant a United Europe under feudal leadership.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Well as a Scandinavian I'm with Russia on this one.
Russia has never posed an aggressive threat to Europe, it has always been the other way round. And when Imperialist or Fascist Europe was aggresive it has always been as a reactionary way out in order to gather the strength to defeat Anglo-Saxon imperial encroachment.

Two local things have made me increasingly suspicious of Anglo Saxon intentions. The Americans are pressuring on to upgrade their radar bases on Greenland, to be compatible with the planned missile defense.

Secondly it has just been revealed in Danish media that, during the Cold War the government handed over the files of 400.000 citizens to American intelligence. This is not democratic behavior.

Thirdly it has been revealed that in the last thirty years no multinational corporation operating in Denmark has ever paid any taxes to the state. The reason stated was they had all run with a deficit for all those years. Then why continue to operate? The money could have been spent on healthcare and other services, instead they have vanished into thin air.

On the global level, it is clear that the Americans have been very agressive towards Russia. During the wars of Yugoslav Succesion, the Americans first supported the neofascist regime in Croatia and subsequently oversaw the ethic cleansing of 200.000 serbs from Krajina.

In the battle over Kosovo the American similarly supported the Albanian fascists and their dream of a greater Albania.

Furthermore under cover of the War on Terrorism the Americans have sprinkled bases to the South of Russia. If Americans are supporting Democracy why are they supporting Uzbekistan, a brutal dictatorship?

To my mind the recent election in Georgia was a coup. It was claimed that Sjevadnadse had commited election fraud. However the evidence for that was presented by an independent American observer group. The UN never made such a claim. I think the reason behind it all is that Sjevadnadse was halting the privatization of various services. Notably the electricity supply. After it was privatized to an American company the Georgians had to pay half their individual income just to cover the electricity bill. Futhermore there were frequent power outages. Under communism the citzens got their electricity for free, and there were no power outages.

What evidence?

[Chemical Ollie]

Let the Russkies have their troops wherever they want, as long as they are in Russia. Better to have them in European Russia than in Chechnya.

(sp?)

[Az]

Chechniya is in Europe, too.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel
Not quite true for the 19th century.

Yeah, right. 1812 is true example of Russian aggression against innocent Europe.

It wasn't true even for WW1.

Oh come on, Germans wanted the war, not Russians. Russia tried to solve the problem through diplomatic means.

[Az]

Yeah, right. 1812 is true example of Russian agression against inocent Europe

Napoleon only went after Russia when the Tzar started to penis-wave at him. If Napoleon would've won, Russia would be in a much better state today, together with all of europe. His victory would prevent the emergence of Germany ( the little states wanted to join the empire, and many of them were taken into Napoleon's army ), and would release the slaves in Russia a good couple of tens of years earlier, and if Napoleonic rule would emerge in Russia, it would clear out the stables that is Russian Tzarist Bureaucracy.It would also prevent WWI, and WWII.

The failure of Napoleon is a great tragedy to all of Europe.

[Serb]

I hope you're not serious here.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Well as a Scandinavian I'm with Russia on this one.
Russia has never posed an aggressive threat to Europe,

And Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are in Antarctica?

my mind recent election in Georgia was a coup. It was claimed that Sjevadnadse had commited election fraud. However the evidence for that was presented by an independent American observer group. The UN never made such a claim. I think the reason behind it all is that Sjevadnadse was halting the privatization of various services. Notably the electricity supply. After it was privatized to an American company the Georgians had to pay half their individual income just to cover the electricity bill. Futhermore there were frequent power outages. Under communism the citzens got their electricity for free, and there were no power outages.

Not a great display of brilliance, eh? AES sold out to RAO UES, moron.

[Az]

Originally posted by Serb
I hope you're not serious here.

I am VERY serious.

[Serb]

Hey, stop swearing Saras. We have a very intellectual, good-mannered society here.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel


I am VERY serious.

This mean war then.