Russia: No CFE treaty for you!

[Saras]

Idiots who, because of their immature political beliefs, ignore that Russia has invaded, performed genocide and violence against hundreds of thousands of innocent poeple don't deserve courtesy.

[Az]

Originally posted by Serb

This mean war then.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Saras
And Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are in Antarctica?

Ok I'll call it Norden then. The countries you mentioned are not in the Nordic language group.

Not a great display of brilliance, eh? AES sold out to RAO UES

You mean that the American company was sold back to a Georgian company? When was that?

[Saras]

To a Russian company, RAO UES, http://www.rao-ees.ru/en/. WAY before the "coup".

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Azazel
Napoleon only went after Russia when the Tzar started to penis-wave at him. If Napoleon would've won, Russia would be in a much better state today, together with all of europe. His victory would prevent the emergence of Germany ( the little states wanted to join the empire, and many of them were taken into Napoleon's army ), and would release the slaves in Russia a good couple of tens of years earlier, and if Napoleonic rule would emerge in Russia, it would clear out the stables that is Russian Tzarist Bureaucracy.It would also prevent WWI, and WWII.

The failure of Napoleon is a great tragedy to all of Europe.

Napoleon went after Russia because, I think, that Russia would not conform to Napoleans continental system. This system meant that all habours in Europe were closed to the trade from the British Empire.

The longlife objective of Napolean was to defeat the hated British. It was essentially the British who financed the military operations against Napoleaon, and bribed the monarchies of Europe into joining coalitions (hey!) to overturn the Napoleonic republic.

This the invasion of Russia was not a mission to conquer, but to force the Russian Czar to accept a peace on the term that any co-operation with Britain be halted. With so few men at his disposal Napoleon could never have conquered Russia.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras
Idiots who, because of their immature political beliefs, ignore that Russia has invaded, performed genocide and violence against hundreds of thousands of innocent poeple don't deserve courtesy.

Show me country who is without sin, I'll give you a candy.

You've said your Great Duke mr. Fancy pants or something, burned Moscow to the ground four times. I don't remember a single case when Russians burned Vilnus (futhermore Stalin took it from Poland and gave it to you). So you're winning 4:0 I don't like this score. Perhaps we should correct this?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


Napoleaon went after Russia because, I think, that Russia would not conform to Napoleans continental system. This system meant that all habours in Europe were closed to the trade from the British Empire.

The longlife objective of Napolean was to defeat the hated British. It was essentially the British who financed the military operations against Napoleaon, and bribed the monarchies of Europe into joining coalitions (hey!) to overturn the Napoleonic republic.

This the invasion of Russia was not a mission to conquer, but to force the Russian Czar to accept a peace on the term that any co-operation with Britain be halted. With so few men at his disposal Napoleon could never have conquered Russia.

Ha! When he invaded he had 600 000 in his Great army. Russians had 240 000 and their forces were separated. The goal of Napoleon was to defeat both Russian armies one by one, but he failed. Both Russian armies had joined their forces.
Numbers were 3:1 to his favour.

[gopher]

Uhh.......Finland 1940?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel

Read "War and Peace".

[Serb]

Originally posted by gopher
Uhh.......Finland 1940?

Uhh.......Finland 1941? Uhh.......Finland 1921 (iirc)?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I think Bush's unilateral withdrawl from ABT has something to do with this.

At least he inspired Putin to do this.

Let me try my hand at this.

I think the expansion of NATO under Clinton has something to do with this.

At least he inspired Clinton to do this.

[Az]

Originally posted by Serb

Read "War and Peace".

priznayus: ne chital. yest u menya doma, da nikak ni vozmus. takih mnogo knig. proklyatiy telek .

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Serb


Ha! When he invaded he had 600 000 in his Great army. Russians had 240 000 and their forces were separated. The goal of Napoleon was to defeat both Russian armies one by one, but he failed. Both Russian armies had joined their forces.
Numbers were 3:1 to his favour.

A lot of these 600.000 were Prussian and Polish allies, who were not really reliable.

Well Napoleon was partially succesful in that he did conquer Moscow, but supposedly an accident seet fire to the whole city. That meant that he had no winter quarters for his troops. Napoleon used the Churches in the Kremlin as stables btw.

On the retreat Napoleon was attacked on all sides by cossacks and guerillas. If Napoleon had been able to conquer Russia he would have been bogged down in guerilla warfare, just like in Spain.

He would never have been able to win.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


Show me country who is without sin, I'll give you a candy.

You've said your Great Duke mr. Fancy pants or something, burned Moscow to the ground four times. I don't remember a single case when Russians burned Vilnus (futhermore Stalin took it from Poland and gave it to you). So you're winning 4:0 I don't like this score. Perhaps we should correct this?

How about Caveman Ugskij beating the living crap out of Caveman Ugas 8000 BC?

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Well the Austrians attacked Serbia. And then it all went downhill from there. The Russians had to mobilize early because their mobilization procedures were painfully slow, due to the lack of railroad track. Had they waited, the Germans could have simply waded into France.

It was the almost suicidal Russian offensive into Eastern Prussia which forced the Germans to send divisions eastwards. Had the Germans had these divisons aganist France, she would certainly have fallen.

That would have meant a United Europe under feudal leadership.

BS. At least get your facts right. Russia wanted to mobilise against Austria. There was only a plan to mobilise against both Austria and Germany. The Germans warned Russia that to mobilise against them would mean war. The Russians went ahead. The French were obliged by treaty to support Russia (and wanted a crack at avenging the Franco-Prussian war). The British were obliged to defend France. So everyone got dragged in partly because of crap Russian planning.