Decision 2004 and Yales Skull and Bones Society

[JohnT]

Just as likely as the Skull and Bones taking over, Imran. Even more, as all the Presidents who went to Yale didn't belong.

[Imran Siddiqui]

They must have become honorary members before acending to the Presidency .

[JohnT]

Not according to the vast number of membership lists that exist of this secret society. I thought the purpose of being a secret society was, you know, secrecy. As of the type of not letting others know you belong.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But they MUST have been. Pax told me!

[VetLegion]

Kim Il Sung and George Bush would have a lot to talk about

[Capt Dizle]

And here all this time I thought Bill Clinton was the first black president.

[Pax]

Originally posted by JohnT



I'm willing to take that bet, place my mortgage and all future income on it, and then double-down.

I think I look at it differently.

There have been 42 Presidents. Let's just say they have all been white, male and Christian.

The odds that the next President will be white are dead on.

The odds that any given white male will be President are 42/number of white male U.S. to be eligible to run for President in the U.S. history.

If there were only 2 Skull and Crossbone Presidents and there total membership was 10,000. Then they would have something like a 1/5000 chance. Of course this is very rough.

I see your mortgage and raise you my 87 non running 900s Saab

[Ben Kenobi]

Small sample size.

[JohnT]

Except...

The S&B is also a legacy group, i.e., if your Dad was a member that goes a lot towards you being a member too.

All three Presidents who were members of the S&B were assisted by the fact that their fathers were too. W.H. Tafts father was a founder, and George Bush I's father, Prescott, was a member in 1917.

Ergo, your conspiracy doesn't wash. Period. These people got in, not because of any conspiracy on the part of the S&B, but because of daddies name and influence.

[JohnT]

I see your mortgage and raise you my 87 non running 900s Saab

Cool! You're gonna give me a Saab as well? Thanks!

Remember, don't weasel! This is to your initial bet, i.e., that membership to the S&B is the most common link between American Presidents, even more so than race or national origin (ethnicity).

[notyoueither]

Fragile ground, JohnT. Heredity is a mark of some groups that have/had exerted inappropriate influence in our society. Ever heard of Masons?

[JohnT]

Want to explain to me how the S&B knew that GWB, GWHB, and WHT were going to be President before they were even college graduates?

I'm really interested in the selection process, especially one in which GWB was selected out of all the (seemingly) more qualified candidates. Did Kerry get a vote in this selection process? Did he vote for Dubya, or did he campaign for his nomination, only to be told

We'll give it to you if this guy ****s it up.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Fragile ground, JohnT. Heredity is a mark of groups that exert inappropriate influence in our society. Ever heard of Masons?

Yes, and legacy is something that all fraternal organizations here in the US (and likely, elsewhere) honor. If it was just the S&B, then this argument might have merit. But it isn't, so it doesn't. Try again.

[Pax]

I'm not arguing that there is a conspiracy. I'm just stating that the evidence/smoke for a conspiracy exists.

Anyway, do I get your house or are you making the mortgage payments to me?

[notyoueither]

My point is that you can not use heredity as an argument against, as you have. It has little to do with it, except as it invalidates your own position.