Decision 2004 and Yales Skull and Bones Society

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus

If you reverse the question it is highly unlikey that 3 members of the Skull and Bones became President, yet it happened can you give an explanation as to why?

Simple: because there is an elite in this country and they are located in the NE. Their schools are the Ivy League schools of Harvard, Yale, Columbia, et al.

42 Presidents assumes some conspiracy from the start of U.S. government let's just start from a war that was started on shady grounds the Spanish American War.
How many Presidents were skull and bones then. Still 3.

Not even sure what that argument was, as the Span-American war was over before the first President from Yale was even elected. So to answer your question of how many Presidents were members of the S&B by the time of the S-A war: 0. Not 3.

How many people does it take for a conspiracy anyway?2. 3 Presidents 2 family members= 5. How many peoplel would have to be involved in 1 election to make 1 man President?

Anybody want to translate the above for me? I can't follow the math.

Keep in mind that there is voting so it's not a given that any one person will be President. What are the odds that people from the same family will be President? It's highly unlikely

Actually, it isn't. There have been six Presidents in this country who have been closely related: the Adams', the Roosevelts, and the Bush's. You would think that it would be even more unlikely that there would be Indian Prime Ministers who were related (in a country of ~800,000,000), but there were 2 Ghandi's that held that position. Where's the conspiracy there?

[Bosh]

Evidence is far stronger for an organization of mulattos taking over the Presidency than a member of the S&B. Evidence is far stronger for the Prebsyterian church to be in control of the Presidency than the S&B. Evidence is even stronger for the idea that a conspiracy of people who never graduated from college is in control of the S&B.

Not really, since there's a lot more mulattos, Presbyterians etc. etc. than S&Bers. If you take just about any non-government group and divide its numbers by the number of people in it that got to be President then S&B would come out pretty close to the top.

[JohnT]

Oh, God, they got to you too Boshko?

[JohnT]

Again, it is far more likely that the Pres's that were members of the S&B were so because of legacy rather than some bizarro conspiracy theory that has the S&B somehow planting its members in the Oval Office.

But y'all can go on believing whatever y'all want.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by JohnT
Oh, God, they got to you too Boshko?

No, they didn't. The conspiracy argument is silly. But the mulatto etc. counter-argument is logically flawed and I was just pointing that out.

[Capt Dizle]

You guys are so smart. Well, George Bush selected five fellow bonesmen to serve in his administration. Can you name them?

BTW, Dick Cheney is not one as he flunked out of Yale. There were something like 9 other Cheneys in there so it is more than likely he had ties through his family. Without which he probably would not have been vice president.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by JohnT
Next thing you'll know we'll be arguing Kennedy assassination conspiracies.

George Bush, Skull & Bones and the JFK Assassination

Rodney Stich's book "Defrauding America" tells of a "deep-cover CIA officer" assigned to a counter-intelligence unit, code-named Pegasus. This unit "had tape-recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy" from a tap on the phone of J. Edgar Hoover. The people on the tapes were "[Nelson] Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, [Lyndon] Johnson of Texas, George Bush and J. Edgar Hoover."

Could George Bush be involved in the JFK assassination?

In 1963, Bush was living in Houston, busily carrying out his duties as president of the Zapata Offshore oil company. He denied the existence of a note sent by the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover to "Mr. George Bush of the CIA." When news of the note surfaced, the CIA first said they never commented on employment questions, but later relented said yes, a "George Bush" was mentioned in the note, but that it was "another" George Bush, not the man who took office in the White House in 1988.

Some intrepid reporters tracked down the "other" George Bush and discovered that he was just a lowly clerk who had shuffled papers for the CIA for about six months. He never received any interagency messages from anybody at the FBI, let alone the Queen Mary.

It is also worth noting that a CIA code word for Bay of Pigs was Operation Zapata, and that two of the support vessels were named Barbara and Houston.

Many say that George Bush was high up on the CIA ladder at the time, running proprietorial vehicles and placed in a position of command, responsible for many of the Cubans recruited into "service" at the time. All through the Iran-Contra affair, Felix Rodriguez, the man who captured and had Che Guevara killed for the CIA, always seemed to call Bush's office first.

From The Realist (Summer, 1991):

"Bush was working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion.... A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion....

"George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working

[Pax]

Sorry, I was excited thinking about my new vacation home. How many Presidents were S & B after the Spanish American War. 3. I just picked the Spanish American War because it happened at the turn of the century and the reasoning for the war was bogus.

As far as the math goes it only takes two people to form a conspiracy. By your own statements you have provided 5.

As far as family members go the odds of it happening are unlikely. The actual amount of times it happened is high. This a very important point!!!
If you were sitting a gambling table in any casino and you won a disproportionate amount of times the management would start to wonder what is going on. They would suspect the game to be rigged. But if you John owned the casino. You would not raise an eyebrow.

Your own statement also points to conspiracy when you say that there is a New England elite. I only maintain that the possibility exists.
I also maintain that it would be very hard to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. If it is true it's not something that could be safely proved. Meaning the safety of the person with the evidence to prove it. I have no real interest in proving it because I have a relatively good life conspiracy or no. But I still see things that don't add up.

I would have read more about Indian history to give you that answer.

[Capt Dizle]

Did I mention that Bill Clinton attended law school at Yale. Not that he was tapped into the S&B but still, you know he made connnections......

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by JohnT
A decreasing percentage as the twentieth century has gone onward, that's for sure. Of the past 50 years, only 3 Presidents have been from prominent families - JFK, and the Bush's. Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton all came from poor or lower middle-class families.

There would be your game, set, and match.

[Pax]

My idea of gullible is to think that a conspiracy is not possible when we know that the American government has been involved in many conspiracies in other countries. For some reason you believe it can't happen here. There is nothing that can't happen here.

[Capt Dizle]

More Grist for the mill:

Teresa Heinz Kerry brings an extraordinary range of experience and talent to the campaign trail for her husband. She has been deeply involved with a number of issues that are equally important to her husband, including the environment, children, women's issues, and health care and wellness. She has been an outspoken advocate for human rights, and a strong supporter of the arts.

Born in Mozambique, fluent in five languages, she has combined compassion and common sense to become a force for innovation and social progress as leader of one of the nation's largest private foundations. After studying in South Africa and Switzerland, she moved to the United States to work for the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz, with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash.

Sen. John Heinz was a Bonesman as was his father. The Heinz family has one of the largest food-producing companies in the world.

[Capt Dizle]

So you see that Kerry is so deeply involved in the S&B society that he married the window of a former member who happened to be another senator.

But its purely coincidental I am sure.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
My idea of gullible is to think that a conspiracy is not possible when we know that the American government has been involved in many conspiracies in other countries. For some reason you believe it can't happen here. There is nothing that can't happen here.

Gullibility would be to seriously consider something to be a conspiracy when there is no reason to other than what could be explained as simple coincidence.

2 of the 3 presidents who were S&B were related. Whereas there have been 3 pairs of related presidents, only one pair was S&B.

Isn't it pretty clear that family has been more important than the S&B?

The sort of gullibility that sees conspiracies where there is no valid reason to do so is of the tin foil hat variety.

[Capt Dizle]

NYE, are you trying to say that the S&B does not conspire day and night to achieve power in this country? That would be a statement almost beyond credulity.