Part of Patriot Act ruled unconstitutional

[Capt Dizle]

If the byproduct of the Patriot Act is the conviction money launderers and drug dealers, so much the better.

[DinoDoc]

Is this the same case discussed here? If so I still stend by my original statement.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Exactly. That's why the decision was wierd given the facts of the case. Anyone interested enough in the plight of the Kurds or the Tamils would know the nature of the PKK and the LTTE unless they were supremely stupid or willfuly ignorant.

[Kirnwaffen]

If the byproduct of the Patriot Act is the conviction money launderers and drug dealers, so much the better.

You miss the point. The protections that the Patriot Act bypasses are there for a reason. They ensure due process and the privacy of American citizens. The Patriot Act was passed in a rash rush to "secure" the United States, and these issues were not properly considered.

[Ramo]

No, this is a different case Dino. That had to do with the 1996 Antiterror Act, this with the Patriot Act.

If the byproduct of the Patriot Act is the conviction money launderers and drug dealers, so much the better.

The byproduct of the Patriot Act was primarily the detention of hundreds immigrants for many months, not even in the end charging a single one of them with anything resembling terrorist acts. Of course, they're also only sand******s too, right?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
No, this is a different case Dino. That had to do with the 1996 Antiterror Act, this with the Patriot Act.

Strange. I guess I got confused because they had such similar facts.

Anyway I do have a question that was never answered in the other thread, "Are there no groups providing aid to the Kurds that aren't terrorist?" Those type of groups would seem to be more deserving of the time and effort of these people than terrorist groups like the PKK.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Kirnwaffen


You miss the point. The protections that the Patriot Act bypasses are there for a reason. They ensure due process and the privacy of American citizens. The Patriot Act was passed in a rash rush to "secure" the United States, and these issues were not properly considered.

I don't miss the point at all. I think we place too much emphasis on protecting privacy and due process when it comes to drug dealers and money launderers. Evidence gathered in violation of due process or privacy rights that contributes to drug charges ought to be exempt.

Thats my postition but then I hate drugs.

I would gladly give full access to my personal property and communications if it would lead to drug convictions. Today. Tommorrow. The rest of my life.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Ramo
No, this is a different case Dino. That had to do with the 1996 Antiterror Act, this with the Patriot Act.



The byproduct of the Patriot Act was primarily the detention of hundreds immigrants for many months, not even in the end charging a single one of them with anything resembling terrorist acts. Of course, they're also only sand******s too, right?

Let me see if I get your position. I either agree with you or I am racist? Is that your position?

[curtsibling]

I hate drugs too, but I find Jimmytrick's willingness to give up the freedoms his forebears fought for to be rather pitiful.

The Third Reich was enabled into being by million's of Jimmytricks.

Scared, misguided types, ruled by authoritive fear, and above all; willing to bow down.

[Kirnwaffen]

I don't miss the point at all. I think we place too much emphasis on protecting privacy and due process when it comes to drug dealers and money launderers. Evidence gathered in violation of due process or privacy rights that contributes to drug charges ought to be exempt.

Thats my postition but then I hate drugs.

I would gladly give full access to my personal property and communications if it would lead to drug convictions. Today. Tommorrow. The rest of my life.

Fine. Then let's just go install cameras in everyone's house and on every street corner. In addition, a chip will be implanted in your body which will inform the government of your whereabouts at all times, and will detect any drugs or alcohol in your system, automatically signaling the police when you're past your limit. Of course, we'll need a massive security apparatus to do all of the monitoring, any member of which will be allowed to enter and search your property at any time.

This is the sort of thing your attitude opens the door for. And if you think it will stop at drug convictions, you are nuts.

[Ramo]

Let me see if I get your position. I either agree with you or I am racist? Is that your position?

No, you well demonstrated your racism through your comment regarding how much you care about Kurds. I reasoned that your apathy towards these people may have a similar cause.

Anyway I do have a question that was never answered in the other thread, "Are there no groups providing aid to the Kurds that aren't terrorist?" Those type of groups would seem to be more deserving of the time and effort of these people than terrorist groups like the PKK.

How do you know which groups the lawyers advised? I didn't notice anything about the PKK in this article.

And it sounds to me that they were helping these Kurdish militants towards a peaceful resolution of the conflict with Turkey. Sounds like a perfectly fine goal to me, certainly nothing that warrants prosecution.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by curtsibling
I hate drugs too, but I find Jimmytrick's willingness to give up the freedoms his forebears fought for to be rather pitiful.

The Third Reich was enabled into being by million's of Jimmytricks.

Scared, misguided types, ruled by authoritive fear, and above all; willing to bow down.

No, thats bull****. I am sick and tired of people's lives ruined by drugs. Many if not most of the people who are so shrill about their rights are people who have something to hide, their own drug use or whatever.

I find it pitiful that people seek to hide their own lawlessness behind the cloak of liberty. It sickens me. I have the courage to open my affairs to the light of day. I am not afraid of scrutiny. I have in this one afternoon been branded a racist and called a Nazi simply because I have dared to voice my opinion. There is fear here and plenty of it but belongs to those who want to hide and point fingers and call names to divert attention from their own anti-social lifestyles.

[Odin]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


No, thats bull****. I am sick and tired of people's lives ruined by drugs. Many if not most of the people who are so shrill about their rights are people who have something to hide, their own drug use or whatever.

I find it pitiful that people seek to hide their own lawlessness behind the cloak of liberty. It sickens me. I have the courage to open my affairs to the light of day. I am not afraid of scrutiny. I have in this one afternoon been branded a racist and called a Nazi simply because I have dared to voice my opinion. There is fear here and plenty of it but belongs to those who want to hide and point fingers and call names to divert attention from their own anti-social lifestyles.

Typical facist troll, equating Liberty with lawlessness. Mussolini would be proud of you.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
How do you know which groups the lawyers advised? I didn't notice anything about the PKK in this article.

Quite right. I heard the words terrorist group and Kurds in the same sentence and my mind went to the most famous one. That still didn't answer my question though.

[Kirnwaffen]

I find it pitiful that people seek to hide their own lawlessness behind the cloak of liberty. It sickens me. I have the courage to open my affairs to the light of day. I am not afraid of scrutiny. I have in this one afternoon been branded a racist and called a Nazi simply because I have dared to voice my opinion. There is fear here and plenty of it but belongs to those who want to hide and point fingers and call names to divert attention from their own anti-social lifestyles.

Most people would like to keep some things private. It's not unusual. I have not yet attempted to insult you, nor will I. You have, as you have said, dared to voice your opinion; but what are you going to do when that is no longer possible? The principles you are defending inevitably lead down the path of totalitarianism, and are completely contrary to the principles upon which this nation was founded. You're welcome to your opinion now, but you won't be when the government starts using the sort of powers you have proposed to enforce morality. With a group like Bush, Ashcroft, and Cheney in the Whitehouse, do you really think it that far fetched?

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Ramo
3. You talk out of your ass.

That may be so, but I clearly have a more intelligent ass than you.

And your momma wears combat boots.