German atrocities in WWII, systematic or just like everyone else?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned


What it shows is that the Europeans are downright uncivilized compared to, for example, the Chinese and Japanese or even us Americans.

Yes, Ned. I think American settlers were enjoying 'Lebensraum' long before Hitler was born, and those Indians didn't go on paid vacations, or end up in holiday homes in Palm Beach or Santa Barbara.

The Japanese quite happily worked millions of fellow Asians to death in South-East Asia and Indonesia and China in the guise of 'liberating' them. They also quite happily massacred Filipinos, mainland Chinese and Singaporean civilians- systematically, not accidentally.

Japanese soldiers indulged in cannibalism and mutilation of Allied servicemen, not out of necessity, but by choice.

The American policy in the repression of the Phillippines post-Spanish American War, doesn't stand up to much moral scrutiny either. It seems that to liberate the Filipinos once the Spanish were defeated, they had to kill quite a lot of them.

Odd way of freeing them....

[Ned]

Boris, as any communist on this board can assure you, those numbers are pure capitalist propaganda.

As to Japanese, the number is probably KIA. The Rape of Nanking, I agree, was uncivilized.

[Ned]

Molly, the Japanese were harsh on prisoners. Very harsh. But except for Nanking, I never heard of callous and wanton killing of men women and children by the Japanese.

I was shocked by what the Europeans did to each other in WWII. I thought that that was over -- forever -- then along come Milosevic.

There is something very wrong about Europe and I do not know that it has been fixed.

[Boris Godunov]

Ned, please. Every country occupied by Japan has plenty of records of civilian massacres carried out by the IJA. This head-in-the-sand denial goes beyond mere trolling of Europeans and looks more like a vendetta based in lunacy. I've noticed you've ignored specifics and just reiterated baseless assertions.

[Nubclear]

??? Slavery in America ??? It is a communist lie! There were no slavery in America. In fact, the African peoples were given a glorious life!
For example: While us ***Americans*** became fat, the "slaves" as you commienazis put it became thin and chic!
They got to live near glorious hillside mansions! Some of them even got free jewelery such as bracelets and necklaces.
And they got to travel more than most Americans of the day too. How can one say that they were treated harshly at all?
The native Americans? Ha! They still exist. Its not our fault they all decided to just get up and move. But you commies just hate America, and you'll try to blame anything on us.
Remember: We declared war on Hitler and we didn't even have to. We are the good guys!

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ned, please. Every country occupied by Japan has plenty of records of civilian massacres carried out by the IJA. This head-in-the-sand denial goes beyond mere trolling of Europeans and looks more like a vendetta based in lunacy. I've noticed you've ignored specifics and just reiterated baseless assertions.

An authoritive guide to "Japanese Atrocities"
Next time Boris, provide sources

[BeBMan]

Come on, Ned never heard of IJA atrocities, except Nanking. That´s proof enough!

[Nubclear]

Well I guess it takes one to know one.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ned, please. Every country occupied by Japan has plenty of records of civilian massacres carried out by the IJA. This head-in-the-sand denial goes beyond mere trolling of Europeans and looks more like a vendetta based in lunacy. I've noticed you've ignored specifics and just reiterated baseless assertions.

Boris, there were incidents, of course, with the IJA. We had My Lai in Vietnam. There were incidents such as Wounded Knew with the Indians. But these were exceptions, and not the rule.

I have never before heard that the IJA killed 5 million enemy civilians during the war. (BTW, does anyone know the number of German civilians massacred by the British? I bet it is also in the millions.)

In Europe, during WWII, it seems that each army was intent on killing as many civilians of the other side as possible. This went on even after the war ended to millions of displaced Germans.

And, just what was going on under Milosevic?

[Nubclear]

The rest of the world is, obviously, a hotbed of stability. Those images of civil war in the Ivory Coast? In DR Congo? Somalia?
Communist lies! Communists control the media! They control the corperations! We have to destroy the communist headquarters in Moscow before they take overr!!!!!!! ;SCARED!:

[Sandman]

And, just to finish it off, Ned includes the usual anti-British troll. Much along the lines of his claim that catholics are persecuted in Britain, and that we're to blame for WW2.

[Ned]

Commie T, I agreed with you, did I not, that the mere idea that the ChicComs may have killed 35 million landlords is unadulterated propaganda by the reactionaries.

Stop being so defensive.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Ned
Stop being so defensive.

But I am agreeing with you, Ned.
Boy, the US seems to bethe last refuge for right-thinking people, dont you agree?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sandman
And, just to finish it off, Ned includes the usual anti-British troll. Much along the lines of his claim that catholics are persecuted in Britain, and that we're to blame for WW2.

Sandman, the Mel Gibson school of the History of Britain cannot be all wrong, can it?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Ned


There is something very wrong about Europe and I do not know that it has been fixed.

http://www.musarium.com/withoutsanctuary/

There is something very wrong about the United States and I do not know that it has been fixed.

About as justified as your ridiculously sweeping statement, Ned.

Perhaps we should estimate the number of Africans, and inhabitants of Central and South America and Asia dead as a result of American interference- after all, when you topple a democratically elecetd government and support terrorists and right wing paramilitary death squads, I think you share some of the blame for the resulting deaths.