Communist Education?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


Somehting like 'consumer reports" would have no influence or power, over, lets say, allocating resources towards a transportation gird, health care, specially preventive care for all, defense spending, R&R spending not done by tax companies, so forth and so on.

The situation is bigger than SUV's or pes..those are simply examples of a system in which you argue for letting people buy bigger TV or pants as some greater fundamental good, than say being able to make sure every kid is immunized and all people have access to basic preventive medicine.

The fundamental good I argue for is the right to participate in the making of those decisions.

As I see it in simplistic terms we have the classic representational problem wrt to the determinations of production. To use an analogy the great compromise when framing the US constitution. States of wealth (read large populace) wanted representation according to population, whilst states of poverty wished equality of representation due to member status (citizenship). Seems to me we have in essence that same system already in play. Market economics tempered by government.

I see no reason to change one house of representation.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
The fundamental good I argue for is the right to participate in the making of those decisions.

You do, if you VOTE.

Seems to me we have in essence that same system already in play. Market economics tempered by government.

I see no reason to change one house of representation.

well, the point is that eventually the system will NOT work...that is what Marx predicted- once capitalism reachers a certain stage.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


You do, if you VOTE.

I do when I buy!

well, the point is that eventually the system will NOT work...that is what Marx predicted- once capitalism reachers a certain stage.

And we keep waiting.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


I do when I buy!

You buy CV's? Hospitals? thousands of miles of highways? Regulatory agencies? wow, you must be loaded.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


I understand what you are saying completely. I simply disagree.

I don't believe that you understand. Agathon wasted his time finding an educational link for you and you didn't use it. Who cares if you disagree, because you have chosen to remain ignorant on the subject?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Why not?

You made a positivie assertion. It's up to you to defend it.

[Agathon]

Nice shiny new avatar there, Che.

[chequita guevara]

Havana Moon, by Santana. Slowwy picked it out, and I thought, what the heck, it'll make him happy.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


The fundamental good I argue for is the right to participate in the making of those decisions.

As I see it in simplistic terms we have the classic representational problem wrt to the determinations of production. To use an analogy the great compromise when framing the US constitution. States of wealth (read large populace) wanted representation according to population, whilst states of poverty wished equality of representation due to member status (citizenship). Seems to me we have in essence that same system already in play. Market economics tempered by government.

I see no reason to change one house of representation.

Your example of a political compromise has nothing to do with employing economic resources to maximize the benefit to society. Allowing individuals to produce and consume without regard to the social cost of their decisions has proven repeatedly to fail. It's not a matter of compromise. It's a matter of individuals realizing that to get the maximum benefit from the economy every individual must be refrained from producing and consuming in a manner that is costly to society.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Havana Moon, by Santana. Slowwy picked it out, and I thought, what the heck, it'll make him happy.

Though it won't make up for his disappointment when the revolution comes, will it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Agathon
Though it won't make up for his disappointment when the revolution comes, will it.

He'll be cool with it if I'm wearing cowboy boots.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

He'll be cool with it if I'm wearing cowboy boots.

All the better to stamp on his face forever!!!!

[Ned]

But, GePap, in communist systems, the people have no choice of whom to vote for.

I find it almost amusing that the Communists say that communism is about democratization of everything, but when you pull back the curtain and look inside what you see is the opposite.

People's Democratic Republic of .... Not a single one of them allowed the people to choose their government. Communism as practiced is not about democracy, it is about lies.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Ned
But, GePap, in communist systems, the people have no choice of whom to vote for.

Really? And you really think that if everyone in the US voted for the socialist party that they would be allowed to put their policies into practice?

[Ned]

Agathon, first you choose our products; now you choose whom we can vote for.

Do I understand Communism correctly?