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Incorrect facts do.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Please enlighten me then on the incorrectness of the facts as they relate to today.
I'll even spot you one.
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Because as citizens we have no right to choose productions. That is reserved for the property owners."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Because it's not a fact, it's an opinion about morality. It's incorrect to call it a fact."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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So you have legal precedence or say a passage in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that guarantees Citizens the right to determine productions.
Please produce. Its not moral issue."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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che asked you to justify it. That's how this whole argument started."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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And my response was simply why not? It's a fact."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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If someone yells at me for being lazy, they wouldn't buy it if I say, "Why not? It's a fact." That isn't an argument."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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I don't know if it is or isn't. Are you lazy?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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In the meantime I await the passage indicating citizens are guaranteed that right."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Ramo, if he fails t understand, or refuses to understand the difference between stating opinions and facts, and what makes something a fact, don't waste your time.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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Point is, the fact that one is lazy is not an argument that one should be lazy."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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GePap
Two simple statements
1) Because as citizens we have no right to choose productions.
2) That is reserved for the property owners.
Any reason to think either of these two statements are not factual with respect to current US law."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Point of the matter is the ones advocating a change in either of these two facts require compelling arguements why it should be changed not vice versa.
And to date, I have yet to hear so."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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1. What the hell does that mean? Certainly as citizens, for example, we have the right to vote to determine military spending programs that lead to military contracts that lead to...productions!Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
GePap
Two simple statements
1) Because as citizens we have no right to choose productions.
2) That is reserved for the property owners.
Any reason to think either of these two statements are not factual with respect to current US law.
So, to begin with, number 1 is vague and inaccurately written.
2. "property owners" refers to people who own real estate generally- and real estate is classfied as one of the means of production.
So again, this is inaccurtaely written. Plus, of course, you can argue that the state can and has the right to regulate porduction. Private owners can not build jet fighters for themsleves, without approval from the state. You can;t make food prodcuts and so forth without following reguatory guidelines, so forth and so on.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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Not so representatives are given the authority to act on the bahalf of their constituency wherein military contracts are given to property owners who choose to either obligate or not obligate their contracts.Originally posted by GePap
1. What the hell does that mean? Certainly as citizens, for example, we have the right to vote to determine military spending programs that lead to military contracts that lead to...productions!
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Citizens are not guaranteed this right except through their representative who may or may not choose to align his views with his constituency. Absolutely no guarantee.
Property owners in the broader sense including but not limitted to real estate owners, owners of machinery, etc. moreover owners of means of production.2. "property owners" refers to people who own real estate generally- and real estate is classfied as one of the means of production.Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; January 21, 2004, 01:00."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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