What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware? II

[Serb]

Who cares about individual bullet? Stechkin can burst.
I bet 1:10 on Arnie with Stechkin against any of your warriors armed with Desert Eagle.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Serb
Who cares about individual bullet? Stechkin can burst.
I bet 1:10 on Arnie with Stechkin against any of your warriors armed with Desert Eagle.

Apparently its accuracy absolutely stinks in burst mode though. Arnie has also used Desert Eagles in several movies.

[Serb]

Including my favorite movie. Damn how can I forget about the really baddest ass piece of military hardware?

Cyberdine systems, T-800:

[Serb]

Uralvagonzavod, T-800U
(Russian version, the most advanced and the baddest ass terminator, of course)

[Serb]

Beylorussian fake: T-800LU

[Kingof the Apes]

[TCO]

Wolverines!!!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Serb
Uralvagonzavod, T-800U
(Russian version, the most advanced and the baddest ass terminator, of course)

Alas, like all Russian equipment, it's poorly maintained and was no production model was able to match the "performance" ( ) of the prototypes....

[axi]

Pick your poison

The TIE-fighter

The Imperial Star Destroyer

The Death Star

Pick the one that suits the scope of your mission.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Serb
Vlasov's "army" (I hardly can't see how those 50K volunteered to fight Soviets, because they were POWs) never participated in any battles. 500 000-1000 000 its absolutely ridiculous figure.

The Germans used many as work details. As for the inability of a POW to be a volunteer..a POW can chose to work for the Germans, or just stay in the camps (and die most likely). These guys chose, they were not slave labor.

[Patroklos]

Western Europeans
The Waffen-SS recruited many foreign volunteers into its ranks. After the May 1940 "Victory in the West," the SS began an active program to gain Western European recruits for several new Wafffen-SS volunteer legions. This effort intensified after June 1941, as the SS exhorted volunteers to join the "anti-bolshevik" campaign in the Soviet Union.

Why were the Waffen-SS were so interested in Western European volunteers? This effort was in response to Hitler and the German army setting strict quotas on the number of German youth the SS could recruit.

Over 125,000 West Europeans volunteered for the SS. Although their experiences really need to be researched on a unit by unit basis, here are some common elements regarding their service:

They took slightly different oath than Germans
They were often (at least at first) treated as 2nd class citizens by German SS officers
Language differences were an issue
They were exposed to less Nazi indoctrination, or the Nazi propaganda was tailored to their nationality
The were often partly motivated by their own political or nationalistic agendas
They were often the most disciplined and fanatic SS warriors
As the war progressed, they realized that their countrymen began to look on them as traitors and collaborators


At first Nazi racial polices determined acceptance level of volunteers. For example: Flemish volunteers were considered "aryan" enough to volunteer for the Waffen-SS, whereas Walloons were not; which is why the Walloon volunteer legion was assimilated at first by the German Army, not the SS. These racial standards were increasingly ignored as the German war fortunes declined and the SS was in desparate need of manpower.

Volksdeutsche

The Waffen-SS also recruited great numbers of Volksdeutsche from central and eastern European countries as well. Despite their ethinc background, these troops often suffered greater language and motivation difficulties that the western legions. Volksdeutsche seemed to have a bit of a mixed reputation among the Reichdeutsche Waffen-SS - in some instances they were considered good soliders, yet in others the volksdeutsche were considered cowardly and untrustworthy.

Eastern/Central European/Balkan volunteers

As the German fortunes steadily declined, the Waffen-SS took to recruiting or conscripting increasing numbers of foreign recruits that were by no stretch of the imagination bore any relation to the Nazi "ideal." These troops, although numerous, were perhaps the least motivated of all.

Country/Ethnicity Estimated # of volunteers Waffen-SS Units
Albanian 3,000 21st SS Division
Belgian: Flemish 23,000 5th SS Div., 27th SS Div.

Belgium: Walloon 15,000 5th SS Div., 28th SS Div.
British Commonwealth (English) 50 British Freikorps

Bulgaria 200-1,000? Bulgarisches Reg.

Croatia (includes Bosnian Muslims) 30,000 7th SS Div., 13th SS Div.
23rd SS Div.
Denmark 10,000 Freikorps Danemark, 11th SS Div.

Indian 3,500 Volunteer Leg.

Estonia 20,000 20th SS Div.

Finland 1,000 Volunteer Bat.

Hungarians 15,000? 25th SS Div., 26th SS Div.
33rd SS Div.
Latvia 39,000 15th SS Div., 19th SS Div.

Netherlands 50,000 23rd SS Div., 34th SS Div.

Norway 6,000 5th SS Div., 6th SS Div.
11th SS Div., Volunteer Leg.

France 8,000 33rd SS Div.

Italy 20,000 29th SS (Italian)

Poland/Ukraine 25,000 14th SS Div.

Russian (Belorussia) 12,000 29th SS Div., 30th SS Div.

Russian (Cossak) 40,000 XV SS Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps

Russian (Turkic) 8,000 Ostürkische SS , Tatarishe SS

Rumania 3,000? Waffen-Grenadierregiment der SS (rumänisches 1)

Serbia 15,000 Volunteer Corps

Spain 200 - 1,000? Spanische-Freiwilligen-Kompanie der SS 101

Sweden, Switzerland & Luxemburg 3,000?* 5th SS Div., 11th SS Div.
Note: W-SS veteran and historian Wilhelm Tieke claims only 175 Swedes served in the W-SS 1940-45 and that the "Swedish company" in the 11th SS actually had many "Estonian Swedes".



No granted this is only the SS, but the Army was several times the size of the SS and thus probobly had in its rankes a much larger number than the Waffen SS. I included the Western numbers because in the overall arguement of a Soviet/Allied war. Several hundred thousand western volunteers joined primarily to fight against the Bolsheviks, with an occupying power comitting attrocitites. US/UK could expect at least the same support or more. Tehre were commnits in the West, but like most things Serb says, their power is exagerated.

[Patroklos]

And the link....

WSSOB

An interesting sight. You may want to avoid it Serb, as it has this annoying knack for telling the truth and then supporting it.

-Pat

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[Spiffor]

From whatb series do your pics come?