Bush to announced manned mission to Mars and permanent base on moon

[DanS]

Btw, I note that it takes a truly enormous rocket to deliver a couple thousand pound payload to the moon.

sky: Without the natives, the conquistadors wouldn't have known about the gold, and even if they did, they couldn't have mined it in any quantity until much, much later.

[Mazarin]

Originally posted by skywalker
[q]And Columbus' voyage was a waste of time too, right? We're going to do something like this sometime. Why not now? If we wait for Earth to be nice and perfect first, the sun will explode and we'll still be stuck there

Maybe because now the expected benefit/cost-ratio is not very high. If the NASA or others that are for the explorations can give some convincing reasons for doing moon colonies and manned Mars expeditions more people would be in favour of it.
Most of the experts I've heard so far are saying that unmanned expeditions are a lot cheaper and can provide more knowledge for less money.

[Kuciwalker]

sky: Without the natives, the conquistadors wouldn't have known about the gold, and even if they did, they couldn't have mined it in any quantity until much, much later.

But we already know about the "gold" so we don't need natives to tell us about it.

And the cost/benefits aren't very high? Take the amount of resources on Earth. Then take the number of resources NOT on Earth. Notice the difference?

[DanS]

But we already know about the "gold" so we don't need natives to tell us about it.

What's the "gold" in our current scenario?

[Mazarin]

Originally posted by skywalker
And the cost/benefits aren't very high? Take the amount of resources on Earth. Then take the number of resources NOT on Earth. Notice the difference?

the question is whether manned missions to other planets are the most cost-effective way to develop the tech needed to get these ressources. And if it wouldn't be more cost effective to develop technology that would allow us to use ressources we have on earth more efficiently. Better recycling, safer nuclear and fusion power come to mind. I'm not saying space projects don't have their advantages -I'm just wondering whether the projects planned now are not made to get more money from people who want to see some pictures from humans on mars.

[Lancer]

"They say that nobody can own any real estate anwhere off the Earth."

The universe is commie?

Dan, tourism. If you enclose a large enough area and fill it with air, humans could fly around like a bird or bat or Richard Simmons.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by PLATO


Thanks Spiffor.

Watching the first man step on the moon live is something you young whippersnappers can never have

Nixon gave us the day off without using Annual Leave, so I sat on the floor of my living room watching. I was 25 years old, damm to be 25 again.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
A permanent present on the Moon would be a complete waste of time. The only possible reason is to stick two fingers up at China by defintely having Americans at the location of China's first manned lunar landing. Additionaly the US mannned mission to Mars would be a willy wangling competition designed to coincide with China landing its first man on the Moon.

You can go back to Europe stand on the dock 1491 and wonder if anything exist outside of Europe.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Not according to international agreements on extraterrestrial bodies they won't.

Bush will just remove us from the treaty.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DanS
What's the "gold" in our current scenario?

stuff

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Joseph
You can go back to Europe stand on the dock 1491 and wonder if anything exist outside of Europe.

I already made that point, thank you very much

[Joseph]

Originally posted by skywalker


I already made that point, thank you very much

When I read a statement that I do not agree with, I write a responce then and there, then I read the rest of the thread. It's the way I do bussiness.

Joseph

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Joseph
You can go back to Europe stand on the dock 1491 and wonder if anything exist outside of Europe.

The difference is that in 1491, we knew there was something else than Europe, and we believed that mindboggling riches awaited.

Today, we know very well that there is something out of the world, but we do not expect to find mindboggling riches there. As long as we are to look for valuable resources, manned missions are a waste of time and money, even though they're a nice dream.

[Mazarin]

Is Fox going to get the broadcasting rights?

[TCO]

YES, CHEESE-MONKEY WATERING THE MARCHING TREES.