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  • #361
    Originally posted by Serb
    Then you salute to our traitors/your spies.
    I guess that is the way it appears from your point of view. We still see them as patriots who are trying to help Russia.

    Originally posted by Serb
    And I salute to Americans who betrayed USA and shared secret info with Russians. Nice work guys.
    A few come to my mind like the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss but I believe there were many more people working for us than against us.
    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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    • #362
      Originally posted by monkspider
      Yeah, and Patton would have gotten his ass-kicked. Don't let your Civ games fool you.
      Wouldn't have had to be Patton being the new SACEUR, but with Lend-leased yanked away from Russia, Britain, The commomwealth, various "liberated" countries, and taking the remnants of wehrmacht added with the American forces...yes, yes I do believe we could crush communism then. Especially when we still held a signifigant strategic advantage over them.
      Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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      • #363
        Originally posted by Serb
        It's OK. I can handle it myself...I guess, but help is always appreciated bro.
        I'm not being a pain on purpose. I enjoy a good discussion with people who see things differently than I do (and Russians do see things differently than most...).
        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
        2004 Presidential Candidate
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        • #364
          We would have won.

          But to give the Russians credit, as much as you can give mass murderers credit, it would have been a very long and bloody war.

          And yeas alot of people have died from Ameica's "freedom wars." But The "15 times the Nazis" the Soviets accomplished, and that is a low figure, was acutually by their hands and not justified in any way by the collateral damage of war arguement (which is not entirely valid). Ie Americans rarely lined people up and mowed them down with machineguns and then threw them in a mass grave. We don't have a system of health spas in Nothern Alaska where 10s of millions found it to be so nice they decided not to come back, ever. And while the Nazis have the infamous reputation as bieng the most efficient killers, I give that to you. You actually let work or the cold kill them instead of wasting the labor though gas chambers. Enjoy the dubious honor.
          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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          • #365
            Originally posted by Serb
            Actually it's old Russian saying Khrushev just said it once and scared you to death.
            Scary fellow, isn't he?
            Scary? Not really. He was more of an embarrassment (which ultimately led to his removal ).

            BTW: I'm not feeling very "buried" right now. So much for his bluster.
            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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            • #366
              Originally posted by Serb
              They guy you are talking about is late Brezhnev. When he was an old fellow, he even wasn't able to swim by himself:
              I still love his eyebrows.
              "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
              "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
              2004 Presidential Candidate
              2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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              • #367
                Originally posted by Serb
                F*ck you Drake. You're just an as$hole.
                Consider it comes from millions of Russians who lost their lives fighting nazism.
                F*ck you once again and be you damned, *****.

                Ok, Ming I'm ready. How long this time? 7? 14?
                I'll put in a good word for you.
                "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                2004 Presidential Candidate
                2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                • #368
                  Originally posted by Vesayen
                  Is it wrong if the pictures on these threads have aroused me, physically?
                  Especially if you are referring to Khruschev and Brezhnev.
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                  2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                  • #369
                    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                    Consider it comes from millions of Russians who lost their lives fighting nazism.


                    While fighting for a regime that was just as evil as Hitler's...
                    Thats being kind to Stalin. He killed more Russians than Hitler.
                    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                    • #370
                      Originally posted by Lonestar
                      Stalinism ain't that much better than Nazism, buddy. Too bad we didn't let Patton do his thang and lead the new drive to Moscow.
                      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                      • #371
                        Originally posted by Patroklos
                        But The "15 times the Nazis" the Soviets accomplished...
                        15 times?? Where the hell did you get this crazy figure? Your propaganda and perhaps history classes at school feed you with such nonsense, and you gladly believe it! Let's see. It is known that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews. Multiply by 15 and obtain 90 million. That's a completely crazy number. You have to be insane to believe that. Furthermore, the Nazis killed much, much more than just 6 million Jews. Make the math. I bet the number will be several times larger than the whole population of the Soviet Union.
                        Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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                        • #372
                          Originally posted by Patroklos
                          But to give the Russians credit, as much as you can give mass murderers credit, it would have been a very long and bloody war.
                          Two years tops. Less than one if we took advantage of our atomic monopoly at the time.
                          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                          2004 Presidential Candidate
                          2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                          • #373
                            Originally posted by The Vagabond
                            15 times?? Where the hell did you get this crazy figure? Your propaganda and perhaps history classes at school feed you with such nonsense, and you gladly believe it! Let's see. It is known that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews. Multiply by 15 and obtain 90 million. That's a completely crazy number. You have to be insane to believe that. Furthermore, the Nazis killed much, much more than just 6 million Jews. Make the math. I bet the number will be several times larger than the whole population of the Soviet Union.
                            Gentlemen, lets not quibble over numbers. Can we all at least agree that the Soviets butchered more people at the time than the Nazis?
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                            2004 Presidential Candidate
                            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                            • #374
                              Originally posted by The Vagabond


                              15 times?? Where the hell did you get this crazy figure? Your propaganda and perhaps history classes at school feed you with such nonsense, and you gladly believe it! Let's see. It is known that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews. Multiply by 15 and obtain 90 million. That's a completely crazy number. You have to be insane to believe that. Furthermore, the Nazis killed much, much more than just 6 million Jews. Make the math. I bet the number will be several times larger than the whole population of the Soviet Union.
                              Not 6, just 5,998, and some. Just under 6 million. Gypsy, Gays, Handicap etc. between 6 and 8 million. No one really knows because no one care about the Gypsy, Gays, and Handicap. Total between 12 to 14 million or so, not counting Soviet people conquered or any other country that they conquered.

                              Joe baby, at lease 30 million or more, we just don't really know. I saw his story on the history channel back in Nov. He was making a new list of people to kill when he crooked. If you do not believe this, than there is nothing we can do for you. That would be very sad.

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                              • #375
                                Originally posted by Vince278


                                Gentlemen, lets not quibble over numbers. Can we all at least agree that the Soviets butchered more people at the time than the Nazis?
                                I don't believe we can. Do you know the numbers?
                                Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.

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