Dope: Should it be legalised.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
If we legalise drugs won't tens of thousands of "gangstas" have to find some other way of making as much money as possible with the least amount of effort? My guess is that this would mean their shifting to other illegal endeavors like armed robbery, car theft, carjacking, prostitution and extortion.

By the way, can anyone give me the definition of "a lid"?

Well, since alot of these guys sell other stuff too like crack and coke, I'm sure it won't be too big of a deal for them.

And, "a lid" in what context?

[Dr Strangelove]

Hey! I've got a really crazy idea! Why don't we leave the process of determination whether marijuana has medical benefits up to the medical community? After all, the process works great 90% of the time. Drugs that have real utility get approved eventually, yet only a few of them have to be pulled from the market every year. What a great idea!

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
And, "a lid" in what context?

A "lid" of marijuana of course, or has that unit of measurement gone out of usage?

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove

A "lid" of marijuana of course, or has that unit of measurement gone out of usage?

Um, I'm not familiar with it, but that doesn't mean anything...

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Hey! I've got a really crazy idea! Why don't we leave the process of determination whether marijuana has medical benefits up to the medical community? After all, the process works great 90% of the time. Drugs that have real utility get approved eventually, yet only a few of them have to be pulled from the market every year. What a great idea!

True. I blame your Federal Government for interfering with research (raids anyone?) and for funding anti-weed studies(negative health effects of so and so) to the detriment of straightforward clinical trials. Still let the science men do their studies, its the only thing that can be done.

Mind you some fools did try clinical trials with LSD

ps. I understand you're against recreational use.

[Az]

what a stoner!

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Sava
because of prohibition, drug prices are higher, and organized crime can make more money off of it...

but those prices I quoted are for TOP OF THE LINE buds... I only smoke really good ****.

*looks at Sava's avatar*

But... see what it does to your face!?! Your face, man, YOUR FACE!!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Sava
you better be, he's ****ing bad ass

Yep, especially since he'll be playing Sirius Black in Harry Potter 3 .

Anyway, who voted 'No, I'm a pot smoker'? A drug dealer?

[Ramo]

God, you're ignorant. CHEMICAL ADDICTION = PHYSICAL ADDICTION = PHYSIOLOGICAL ADDICTION.

I was under the impression that the phrase chemical addiction (which is a rarely used term) is equivalent to psychological addiction.

But anyways, there is insignificant physical addiction associated with weed. Heavy use may create psychological depencies, yes, but won't create significant physical dependencies (i.e. causing withdrawal symptoms and the like). Basically, after a heavy dose of THC, stopping use would only provoke a gradual removal of THC from cannabinoid receptors due to their relatively lengthy half-lives, leading to minimal physical withdrawal effects.

[Ramo]

the drug legalization camp is made up entirely of upper middle class white college students

Lower class brown person here.

[Tiamat]

As one who smoked pot for a number of years I can say that your argument about pot smokers not leading productive lives or being able to handle jobs isn't true from my stand point. I held down two jobs while smoking pot, however, I have quit and been away from it for almost a year now and can honestly say that I like myself better when I don't smoke then when I do. I'm not quite so lathargic, don't get the munchies so much , and don't feel so run down all the time.

As to whether it's legalised, I think the government doesn't have the right to choose for us. It's our choice what we put in our bodies and obviously since it's not legal and people still choose to do it they really haven't won anything. Besides wasn't the father of our country George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin all hemp farmers?

[Berzerker]

Strangelove -

If we legalise drugs won't tens of thousands of "gangstas" have to find some other way of making as much money as possible with the least amount of effort? My guess is that this would mean their shifting to other illegal endeavors like armed robbery, car theft, carjacking, prostitution and extortion.

Interesting hypothesis, pot should remain illegal so fewer people will resort to other crimes to make money? Then wouldn't it make sense to be very relaxed about enforcing the pot laws since strict punishment and harsh penalties will only drive some of these gangsters back to other criminal endeavors?

According to your argument, homicide rates should have increased after alcohol prohibition was repealed since all those gangsters involved in the illicit alcohol market would have had to find other more dangerous and illegal ways to make money. That didn't happen, the homicide rate dropped 13 years in a row to about half the rate under alcohol prohibition and didn't go back up to prohibition levels until the modern drug war when, based on your argument, crime should have decreased as more criminals went back to drug dealing.

Hey! I've got a really crazy idea! Why don't we leave the process of determination whether marijuana has medical benefits up to the medical community? After all, the process works great 90% of the time.

You mean the people who have to ask me "where does it hurt" are more qualified than me to know if it hurts? I have a better idea, let's ask the people using the pot if it affords them relief, but the American Medical Association opposed the ban on pot back in 1937 and you simply ignored that fact the last time this issue was debated.

Drugs that have real utility get approved eventually, yet only a few of them have to be pulled from the market every year. What a great idea!

Too bad it doesn't work that way, pot has ~5,000 years of proven utility and the politicians ignore that fact to keep it illegal. Tell us, Doc, does pot have medicinal properties (real utility)? Just a simple yes or no answer will do here...

[Berzerker]

That guy looks like Joe Scarborough

[Flip McWho]

The funny thing is that I pretty much fit into that category too

Same

Flip, whats the bud like in NZ?

Eh, it ain't too bad a. Can be a bit costly though. Ummm working in tinnies which is god knows how much in gramage its $20NZD - About $5 for a joint if that helps any. We gotta be careful too as the sh*t is all priced the same so we don't know if we are getting good sh*t or not till we use it. I think its around $100 for a pound. Never buy that high.

Flip, didn't you read my post?

Hmmmm mustn't off

Ted, just say, "I'd hit it," and go wander off somewhere.

Interesting hypothesis, pot should remain illegal so fewer people will resort to other crimes to make money? Then wouldn't it make sense to be very relaxed about enforcing the pot laws since strict punishment and harsh penalties will only drive some of these gangsters back to other criminal endeavors? According to your argument, homicide rates should have increased after alcohol prohibition was repealed since all those gangsters involved in the illicit alcohol market would have had to find other more dangerous and illegal ways to make money. That didn't happen, the homicide rate dropped 13 years in a row to about half the rate under alcohol prohibition and didn't go back up to prohibition levels until the modern drug war when, based on your argument, crime should have decreased as more criminals went back to drug dealing.

Thanks for that Berzerker, this is one of the main arguments that the people I've been arguing with use.

[Firelad]

In Israel 50 grams of (supposedly) good quality "vegetables" (local term) costs around 200NIS which is a bit more $40US. The prices hardly vary at all with the quality though. The most common thing is to buy 25 grams for 100NIS ($20US). Dunno about hashish. I smoked hashish once, a guy me and my friends met on the street gave it to us for free when we couldn't find and source. Said friends said it was really good. I agree, although I had no idea it was so strong and I have therefore made an utter fool of myself.
I never had munchies. On the other hand, I'm not very "experienced"... (info on quality comes from stoner friends). Hey, I smoked only two times (quite recently... Just starting out ) and I had the very same effects. Meaning both times I thought I was able to predict the future (I though that someone was going to say something and after a few seconds/minutes he said it. Weird. The rest of the time it was just deja-vus on everything.)

LEGALISE I don't have money to buy at those black market rates! Plus I think it's better for all. No new reasons to add though.