Dope: Should it be legalised.

[Fake Boris]

Sava, I doubt what you say about law enforcement officers. Most of them are strongly pro-prohibition. It's their bread and butter and plus, they've been brainwashed by years of service.

Judges? I'd say not the Catholic/conservative ones. There are many of them.

I know it sounds disgusting, but I think the real reason might be social purification. Send the poor to jail. Blame drugs instead of wealth inequalities.

And there is also the problem that legalization will kill the black market. The CIA just needs it to enforce America's foreign policy, as to allow trade to those they support, prevent it to those they don't, and then justify intervention with the argument: they are cocaine cultivators!

[Theben]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


No, its true... I've heard this from multiple sources in multiple University classes. We're the only society to treat drugs in this way, historically I mean. Of course other parts of the world do now, but they never did before we came along.

Yeah, I never meant they don't do it now.

Then your university sucks. Ancient Egyptians, for one, liked to get high (I forget the substance) and drink. Yes it was used in religious ceremonies but also used recreationally. Chinese also. I'm sure if I delved deeper I could find some more info.

I'd ask to get a refund on my tuition if I were you.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Sava
JimmyCracksCorn: In the Chicago area, good bud (dank) is between $30 to $60 for an eighth of a pound.

Losers. I could get it for $10 a quarter bag.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


No, its true... I've heard this from multiple sources in multiple University classes. We're the only society to treat drugs in this way, historically I mean. Of course other parts of the world do now, but they never did before we came along.

Yeah, I never meant they don't do it now.

what about alcohol? it IS a drug, and it has existed for millenias. And what about opium, in China? It was used with an entertainment purpose.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think marijuana has any strong religious tie in the Muslim world.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Theben


Then your university sucks. Ancient Egyptians, for one, liked to get high (I forget the substance) and drink. Yes it was used in religious ceremonies but also used recreationally. Chinese also. I'm sure if I delved deeper I could find some more info.

I'd ask to get a refund on my tuition if I were you.

That is true, but I think they were talking more about substantially different societies, because you could argue that the Egyptians contributed alot to ours as they undoubtedly contributed to greco roman culture which is precedent of ours.

Ok, all was too broad, MOST societies don't use drugs recreationally historically.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Sava
Jimmy: between 2.5 and 3.5 I think... damn metric system

Wow, man, you're getting ripped.

$50 Canadian will get you 7.5 grams here, although maybe the quality of yours is alot better...

[Theben]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Ok, all was too broad, MOST societies don't use drugs recreationally historically.

Damn double adverbs. "don't use recreational drugs historically." An F for you!!

Anyway, MOST societies, historically, didn't have a lot of leisure time. Survival mode tends to discourage recreational drug use.

As for "substantially different societies" the Incans used to chew on Coca leaves to get a buzz, as well as an energy boost. The South American locals still do (when they can).

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


what about alcohol? it IS a drug, and it has existed for millenias. And what about opium, in China? It was used with an entertainment purpose.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think marijuana has any strong religious tie in the Muslim world.

Well, I think the Chinese used opium for medicinal purposes, and that the muslim world used hemp in the same way... although I'm not sure.

And alcholo is a drug, but I think its limited to this part of the world (Europe, North Africa), or I mean it used to be until we started exporting it.

But I'm not sure, I was never saying it was absolute fact, I was just remembering something I heard a couple years ago although I don't remember it all. But I'm pretty sure at least that the way we use mind altering substances is historically very different than other parts...

worth looking into...

[Theben]

2 oz.=5.6 grams

[Sava]

Speer and skywalker: BTW, the right wing CATO INSTITUTE think tank doesn't agree with the drug war either.

http://www.cato.org/current/drug-war/

Here are some more links if you feel like reading INFORMED opinions and facts.

Brookings Institution: http://www.brook.edu/press/review/spring96/stares.htm
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: http://leap.cc/

Even a surgeon general of the US suggested legalization was the right thing to do in 1993.

Here's a good site: http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm

also, how come people like Governor Jeb Bush and Rush Limbaugh have said their respective drug problems (in Jeb's case, his daughter) are private matters that don't concern law enforcement?

How about the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION? What do they think?

http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/docs/cannabis.pdf

The publication "New Scientist" even discoverd a WHO study that concluded long term marijuana usage is LESS HARMFUL than tobacco and alcohol.

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/news.jsp

And Speer, since you claim to be on the side of minorities, you should know that drug laws in the US are applied unfairly towards minorities.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/factsheets/rockefeller_fact2.cfm

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/factsheets/raceandthedr/index.cfm

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/factsheets/raceandthedr/crack_cocaine.cfm

so please... I have an army of knowledge with which to BURY YOU with.

BRING IT ON

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Theben


Damn double adverbs. "don't use recreational drugs historically." An F for you!!

Yeah, yeah...

Anyway, MOST societies, historically, didn't have a lot of leisure time. Survival mode tends to discourage recreational drug use.

Not true, our society has some of the lowest levels of leisure time. But if you're talking historically, foraging societies typically only had to spend a few hours each day gathering food. Its a well known fact that hunting and gathering requires the least amount of time and effort to meet your daily needs.[/quote]

As for "substantially different societies" the Incans used to chew on Coca leaves to get a buzz, as well as an energy boost. The South American locals still do (when they can).

Very true, but I would say that getting a buzz to help you get through the day in the field is different than getting ****faced everynight. This is the point I'm getting at - It was our society that pretty much invented getting arsefaced for no reason other than to get arsefaced.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Theben
2 oz.=5.6 grams

I don't think so, a quarter is a quarter of an ounce, and thats 7.5 grams.

Trust me, I've bought many...

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean...

[Sava]

Wow, man, you're getting ripped.

$50 Canadian will get you 7.5 grams here, although maybe the quality of yours is alot better...

because of prohibition, drug prices are higher, and organized crime can make more money off of it...

but those prices I quoted are for TOP OF THE LINE buds... I only smoke really good ****.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Sava
because of prohibition, drug prices are higher, and organized crime can make more money off of it...

but those prices I quoted are for TOP OF THE LINE buds... I only smoke really good ****.

Really? Its not like weed is exactly legal here either, just the penalties aren't quite as severe.

But its cool though that you actually pay more for better stuff, implying that you pay less for ****ty stuff. Here it might be cheap, but you'll pay the same price whether its the best stuff in the world or garbage, so you have to be careful.

But man, you're not to far from the border, you should come to Ontario with your USDs and you could get hiiiiiiiiiiigh for months....

[Sava]

Really? Its not like weed is exactly legal here either, just the penalties aren't quite as severe.

Canada is much more lax about enforcement though...

But its cool though that you actually pay more for better stuff, implying that you pay less for ****ty stuff. Here it might be cheap, but you'll pay the same price whether its the best stuff in the world or garbage, so you have to be careful.

that's strange...

But man, you're not to far from the border, you should come to Ontario with your USDs and you could get hiiiiiiiiiiigh for months....

perhaps I shall... Canada is looking more and more like the greener grass (no pun intended).