"African American"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Just because you *sshole-Americans

Is that what you refer to the British now?

[GePap]

Hispanics are as united as Asian-Americans.

All these groups do have some things in common, but different national groups all have distinct tastes, not only in vocabulary, music, and food, but in history. In fact, there is a lot of internal disagreement among hispanics. NOw, the problem with the term "Asian" American si that Asia happens to encompass 1/2 of humanity and a very large chunck of the earths landmass, so people from asia are bound to vary a bit, you know, a Turk from a Tamil from a Tagalog to a Korean.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
the problem with calling asian americans asian americans is that unlike a lot of other ethnic groups, we're not monolithic. we've a fragmented culture.

japanese americans have no need to feel too strongly about tiananmen. korean americans have no need to be proud of the samurai tradition. chinese americans have no need to parade korea's making the first metal movable type. none of them need to be proud of the kama sutra.

in contrast, a lot of the other minority groups, such as the latinos, have a much strong bond with each other. take an argentinan and venuzeulan, and after you get past the dialectical differences (and the general distaste of argentina), you find they have a lot of common ground. when you set three cjks together, what language do they talk in? english.

I dont think so. You are right about latinos in general being closer than any two different asian, but you make it out as if theres absolutely no bond between two asians when compared to say asian guy and a white person.

Look at most of the asian kids in college (especially FOBs) Theyre alot close to other asians than anyone else (in general).

[Q Classic]

This is not actually true. Cubans, Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans (who are the three largest groups of Hispanics in the US.) all have very different concerns and cultures. About the only thing they have in common is that they're all Latinos. I've lived in a Mexican neighborhood and a Cuban neighborhood, and it's really quite different (can't find a decent taco anywhere in the latter)

still more common ground than asians have. at least the language is the same. you print one brochure in spanish, you can pretty much reach all literate latinos.
try to print one for asians, you have to:
1. japanese kana/kanji
2. korean hangul
3. simplified chinese
4. traditional chinese
5. bengali
6. thai
7. tamil
8-x. a bunch more that i don't want to bother listing.

[Japher]

"n : an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations"

American Culture translates to American Ethnicity... Go talk to a F.O.B., someone whos been here for 10 years, and someone who was raised here... Tell me if you see a difference. I guess I don't see how "blood" corresponds to ethnic characteristics. I do see how it can, and in most cases does, but I don't think it's a necessity. French are of mixed blood, Brits are of mixed blood, Germans, Russians, even Chinese... America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

[chequita guevara]

Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Japher
"n : an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties; "ethnicity has a strong influence on community status relations"

American Culture translates to American Ethnicity... Go talk to a F.O.B., someone whos been here for 10 years, and someone who was raised here... Tell me if you see a difference. I guess I don't see how "blood" corresponds to ethnic characteristics. I do see how it can, and in most cases does, but I don't think it's a necessity. French are of mixed blood, Brits are of mixed blood, Germans, Russians, even Chinese... America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

good interesting point. I too think ethnicity is not related with blood. However in certain circumstances we have become stereotyped to relate ethnicity with blood because cultures for most part do not mix with other cultures. So blood happens to be an easy way to determine ethnicity....

[Q Classic]

I dont think so. You are right about latinos in general being closer than any two different asian, but you make it out as if theres absolutely no bond between two asians when compared to say asian guy and a white person.

that's not what i'm saying. after all, if that were the case, you'd never even have a coherent asian american civil liberties movement (as underpowered as it is). what i am saying is that even though there is a lot of dissention in latino groups (which i was unaware of--i stand corrected), they're still a lot more united than asian american groups.
when chinese american vincent chin was beaten to death by blue-collar white trash who lost their auto jobs because they thought he was japanese, that was probably one of the first times asian americans actually became a cohesive group that protested against the excruciatingly light sentence those two men got off with.
since then, it's a lot better than in the past: during the 40's, chinese americans were happy they were finally the "good asians" as opposed to the "bad asians" (the japanese).

Look at most of the asian kids in college (especially FOBs) Theyre alot close to other asians than anyone else (in general).

i don't know how it is with latinos, but there's also a disconnect there. often times fobs and natives don't quite mix too well. like, they'll be part of the same groups, but their closest friends won't be from the other half.

perhaps i'm looking at it from a rather americanized point of view: i'm willing to admit that i'm probably one of the more americanized asian americans.

[GePap]

America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

sadly, this does not work- the blood part of ethnicity always comes out strongest. Notice how you never see someone in germany say "I am Bavarian-German", or I am "Saxon-German", nor do you see people call themselves "Scottish-British", or "Alsace-French"..the ones that do hyphen themselves happen to be more recent immigrants like Turks, Arabs, or Pakistanis.

The only American group without a hyphen are English-Americans.

Now, if someone wants to argue against all hyphens, fine with me, but just against "African" because of something as stupid as "hey, look, a Africaners can say he is from African too!" is annoying.

[chequita guevara]

Ethnicity tends to be related to blood, but when I adopt two little Chinese babies, they will be raised as Irish-Italian-African-Chinese-Americans. They'll have some of me, some of mom, and some of their birth parents cultures to draw from. I guess we could call them Tiger Woods-Americans.

[Japher]

"Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher."



Oh, no, too many insults... Does Bunnygirl know?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Japher
"Some of us prefer our salad tossed, and not pureed, Japher."

Oh, no, too many insults... Does Bunnygirl know?

It's her idea.

[Q Classic]

what was the term tiger used?

cablinasian?

[Zero]

Originally posted by GePap

America is young, yes, and culturally diversed, but that is what the ethnicity of America is; a blend.

The only American group without a hyphen are English-Americans.

Maybe cause the group doesnt want to be hyphenated?

im not gonna flame a brit who wants to be called english-american..... if he wants to be hyphenated

Like i said. if you want to be hyphenated good who cares
If you want to abandaon it good who cares

[Tripledoc]

America is a blend? However a White/Hispanic blend is Hispanic, a White/Asian blend is Asian, a Black/White blend is Black.

This is idiotic since it would suggest that the White race is weak. Granted brown eyes dominate over blue eyes. However does that mean that White culture is threatened? Why is not so that the Asians, Hispanics (which are basicly Maya/Aztec) and Blacks are becoming whitened?

I fear that this is the usual discourse manipulation. In reality the native cultures are being Judaic Anglo-Saxonized. However in order for that process to be carried trough it must seem that it is in fact the White race that is being 'corrupted'. After all the best form of defence is the attack, and this allows for at the same time an economic exploitation in concert with a strategy of eventual racial domination.

Because what will eventually happen is that White culture, given thier dominance of the corporate culture will eventually seek to be dominant.

Of course any competing culture will have to squashed, and that has so far proven extremely difficult.