Are you illegal?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Agathon
But downloading music is legal (although uploading it is not).
Are you condoning what the record companies assure us is piracy, even though it is perfectly legal?

That is an argument for lawyers... When it comes to gaming software, there is no argument. It's illegal.

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Agathon


But downloading music is legal.

Are you condoning what the record companies assure us is piracy, even though it is perfectly legal?

The topic is illegal software D/Ls, not music piracy.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Ming


That is an argument for lawyers... When it comes to gaming software, there is no argument. It's illegal.

That's quite slippery of you Ming.

You've taken a strong stance legal postivism in this thread and it's a plain fact that in Canada downloading is legal, and probably is so in the US as well.

So if downloading music isn't illegal, then it's not piracy and everything's OK, right?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit

The topic is illegal software D/Ls, not music piracy.

I know, I'm just taking a stand for consistency across the forums.

[Ming]

No... you are just arguing a different issue.

That isn't consistency... that's just changing the subject

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Ming
No... you are just arguing a different issue.

That isn't consistency... that's just changing the subject

And you're sticking to that story, right?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Agathon
And you're sticking to that story, right?

I'm the one sticking to the topic... you are the one trying to change it after you were proved wrong

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Ming

I'm the one sticking to the topic... you are the one trying to change it after you were proved wrong

How can you prove me wrong if you are sticking to the original topic? If you are proving me wrong then there is at least the question of applicability of legal positivism to both cases. blah blah blah....

But then again Dan and Mark just don't want to be seen to support music downloading on the site.

[MrBaggins]

Ming>

First the arguement was that you'd be prosecuted for this...
Then that you merely could be... that it was technically illegal.
Then that the arguement doesn't include mp3's...

your position looks like a slippery slope to me.

What does "illegal" actually mean, if you aren't prosecuted? That and two bucks'll get you a ride on the subway.

[Ming]

No... my position hasn't changed one bit... there is one simple fact that you can not deny...

It is illegal.

You can talk all you want about how it's not enforced, and then argue that that makes it ok... but it doesn't change reality.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ming
No... my position hasn't changed one bit... there is one simple fact that you can not deny...

It is illegal.

That's not much of a position.

[MrBaggins]

What reality?

Define why I should care that something is "illegal"

It's just ephemeral if it has no consequence.

[MrBaggins]

"Don't do that"

"Why? What are you going to do about it"

"Don't do that"

"Well... I'm doing it... now... what are you going to do about it"

*puts a blindfold on and earplugs in*

[Ming]

To follow the law is a personal decision... using your logic, you could justify killing somebody.

However, it doesn't change the fact that it is illegal.

[MrBaggins]

Murder has a consequence everywhere. Its illegality "means" something.

Copyright violation doesn't have a consequence everywhere, or even in every situation.

The two concepts aren't comparable.

Illegality is morally relative. A law is in arbitrary creation of society. It only has meaning within the time and space of that society.