Has the time come for a revived CSA?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where do you live again?

The South. There was a lynching of a black kid who was dating the white sheriff's daughter ni a small Florida town just recently.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
RAMO, you are not being intellectually honest here. Powell was closer in actuality because he was way ahead in the polls when he pulled out.

In '96, Powell hadn't decided which party he would run in.

Pat,
Jacksonville is not Florida. It is South Georgia. Ask any native Jacksonville cracker, this ain't Florida. It's onya historical accident that has us on the wrong side of the border. For some unkown reason, these people are proud of it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


In '96, Powell hadn't decided which party he would run in.

Huh?

Where did this come from?

Powell did not let his party affiliation be known until after he had left the government. Then he said he was a Republican. He was mulling running for the Republican nomination for some time before he withdrew his name.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned

Huh?

Where did this come from?

In case you hadn't noticed, many of Powell's views are significantl out of touch with the Republican Party. He himself has said he is a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. In '96, he was trying to decide whether to run in the Republican Party or as an independent.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


In case you hadn't noticed, many of Powell's views are significantl out of touch with the Republican Party. He himself has said he is a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. In '96, he was trying to decide whether to run in the Republican Party or as an independent.

Che, any person who can gain the party's nomination is not significantly out of step with the party. However, the point at issue here is not his positions, but his race.

[Patroklos]

Yeah...sure.....Jacksonville isn't in Florida...

Well, that pust alot of your other posts in perspective.

-Pat

[MrFun]

Patroklos -- did you read what I said about the legacy of our nation's race relations?

[Patroklos]

Racism will never be over until certain minorities realize that more than anything else, their problems are of their own design and only they can solve them. Blaming other people for crap might make you feel better about yourself, but in the end you do not accomplish anything.

And I agree Mr. Fun that race relations have not so much improved, as much as their character has changed. However, I contend that unlike before when racism was primarilly based in the majority and then reacted too by the minority, today it stems from the minority ans is reacted to by the majority. It must be gauking to some activists that despite the obvious reversal on mainstream racial opinions in the last 50 years, all the legal protection, and all the great civil rights leaders in the past, they have all the same problems. And if a colored person happens to be successful they are then ostrisized?

Watch any late night BET news show and there is only one story, white people are hating on us. Black man struck by lightning, fault of white man. Bush signs social security bill, which is a disguised plot against the black man by the white devil. Volcano errupts in India, obviously the white mans doing.

-Pat

[MrFun]

Yes, there are blacks who are racist who hate whites.

And there are those who claim there is racism when there is none (prosecution of Kobe for instance).


But my point was that the racism within white society has its legacy from the "Lost Cause" mythology -- and if you want to go even further back, with slavery itself in the early modern era.

[Patroklos]

Well then Mr Fun, since 500 years from now people will still be claiming your theory, why don't we just break out the shackles now and get it overwith, since according to some white people will never change.

The "Lost Cause" theory is a lost cause. It is a way to attribute racist tendancies to whites who desplay no such traits, and thus label them racists without any evidence. I hear alot of activists say about the flag, "get over it, the war was 140 years ago and you lost." Well I take the opposite, get over it, "Slavery was ended 140 years ago and you won the civil rights war, move on." A litte oversimplification, but constatly insisting that whites are racists when in fact it is YOUR minority that is, well, makes white racists. The open civil rights portion of the war is over (alothough Jackson and Sharpton don't like to hear that, as they are old war horses), and a new phase in in effect. The phase where the external enemy is at the very least marginalized and now you can focus on cleaning your own house.

-Pat

[MrFun]

Interesting how people want to accuse me of claiming that racism is only regional -- exclusively within the South, when I have already explained how reunion in the spirit of white supremacy involved white Northerners and white Southerners.


And also remember that I already explained that one can possibly not be a racist, and still adhere to the "Lost Cause" mythology, but only because they are ignorant of the how the "Lost Cause" emerged.

When I discuss the "Lost Cause" mythology, I have no interest in claiming that racism is exlusively a Southern phenomenon.

[GePap]

As I have said half a dozen tmies, good riddens! We don;t need those poor states sucking of the fruits of blue state labor! Off with them!

As for racism: nice factoid, A white person with a misdemeanor conviction is more likely to get a call back after an interview than a black person with no record (and if you are a black male, that is an accomplisment of sorts in this society). Yup, sounds like the struggle has ended to me!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Yeah...sure.....Jacksonville isn't in Florida...

Well, that pust alot of your other posts in perspective.

-Pat

Have you ever lived here? It may say Florida on our address, but this ain't Florida. Jacksonvile Magazine recently had a peice about the ten best things about this town. One of them was "When people say we're more like South Georgia than South Florida, we take that as a compliment." :shudder: The wife of one of the people I go drinkin' with said she liked that about Jax.

[Patroklos]

I am sure it has nothing to do with education, dress, manors, attitude etc.

Your example is just another case of ignoring all other factors but race when things don't go your way.

Mr Fun, by last post had nothing to do with regionalism, the flag comment was just an example, nore is it an example restricted to the south.

You lost cause theory is a circular arguement. If they are not racist and white, then they are part of it. If they are racist and white they are part of it. They are a part of it if know it, they are if they don't. If they choose not to be a part of it, they are still included. So just how do you get out of it Mr Fun, becasue me obviousy denying it just means I am ignorant of my inclusion.

-Pat

[chequita guevara]

You're really quite ignorant when it comes to race, Pat.