I'm disappointed . . . . .

[Ned]

G, FOX News, lead story, 8 am Pacific.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Agathon
Why don't you just vote for Bush then.

He'll make you people illegal.

Come to Canada, you can download music off the internet, smoke pot and be gay and nobody cares.

YAY CANADA!!!

I just might my friend...

If the forces of evil want to turn America into a fascist corporate state, then I may have to escape before political dissidents are rounded up and put in camps behind razor wire.

[Ned]

Sava, the problem with you conspircacy therorist leftist, is that to you freedom and truth are slavery and lies.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned
Sava, the problem with you conspircacy therorist leftist, is that to you freedom and truth are slavery and lies.

sigh, stop spreading these lies and propaganda Ned...

Albright: Bin Laden Comments Were 'Tongue-in-Cheek'

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,106012,00.html

It's so sad that the dopey right can't tell the difference between a joke and reality.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sava
sigh, stop spreading these lies and propaganda Ned...

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,106012,00.html

It's so sad that the dopey right can't tell the difference between a joke and reality.

So she claims after she was roundly ridiculed.

Sava, to the left, propaganda is dogma.

[Sava]

Sava, to the left, propaganda is dogma.

and to the right, it's big business

[Sava]

So she claims after she was roundly ridiculed.

or perhaps after she saw the dopey right taking her out of context in order to spread their hate-propaganda...

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by DanS


Whatchyou talkin about, Willis? Al Gore was never a DLC type candidate.

Actually, Gore was a founding member of the DLC, though that may seem unlikely (but then, Gephardt was another founder). True, Gore had a reasonably progressive voting record up through the mid-80s, and was not initially a DLC type; and the DLC imagined that its first presidential candidate would be Sam Nunn. But Nunn decided not to run, and he and Chuck Robb recruited Gore (who had already declared his candidacy) to run on a DLC-friendly platform; Gore agreed, and immediately flip-flopped on several issues in order to remake himself into a Good Ol' Boy in time for the first ever Super Tuesday Southern primary. From then on in, even though his candidacy was a losing proposition, he was the DLC's boy in that race.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Guynemer
and Bush is no idiot

[Drake Tungsten]

BTW, all you guys who are writing Dean off already are fooling yourselves. The man is not a hard-core liberal; he's just portraying himself that way to win the support of all the mouthbreathers in the Michael Moore wing of the Democratic party. Once he gets the nomination and builds his war chest, he's going to head right back to the center of the political spectrum, a position that his past political record actually supports. It's classic political tactics; play to your party's base to get the nomination and then run like hell back to the center to win the hearts of moderate voters in the general election.

Dean could be Bush's worst nightmare.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Lord knows, you sure taught Jeb a thing or two.

While I'm sure you thought that was pretty clever, several of those factors were still in play, specifically the 50,000 illegally removed voters (the majority o whom were Black and Democrats). Vote fraud was alive and well in Florida in 2002. This may have impacted McBride's win over Reno, and no one expected McBride to beat Bush, though it was supposed to be closer than it turned out to be. Then again, given how successfuly McBride ignored the Black community in Florida, I can't see why it was ever considered a close race at all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The problem is Dean has QUITE a run, and when attempting that much of a run, people usually trip over themselves. First, they get accused of flip-flopping (which they are) and then their base gets tired of the flip-flopping and leaves him.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
BTW, all you guys who are writing Dean off already are fooling yourselves. . . .

Dean could be Bush's worst nightmare.

DT gets it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The problem is Dean has QUITE a run, and when attempting that much of a run, people usually trip over themselves. First, they get accused of flip-flopping (which they are) and then their base gets tired of the flip-flopping and leaves him.

Actually, he doesn't have that much of a run. All he's done that's made him seem left is to be vocally opposed to the war and the miserable failure's handling of it. He's also vocally critical of Bush, instead of being a normal, placid Democrat.

[Drake Tungsten]

The problem is Dean has QUITE a run, and when attempting that much of a run, people usually trip over themselves. First, they get accused of flip-flopping (which they are)

Dean has an advantage in this regard, though, because his record as governor of Vermont is very moderate. He's taken some very liberal stances on the war and other issues during the primaries, but he's also been carefully holding back on certain issues (fiscal responsibility, gun rights) that show his moderate leanings. These are going to be used in the general election to help change Dean's image back to that of a moderate.

and then their base gets tired of the flip-flopping and leaves him.

This is the big question. Are the mouthbreathers smart enough to vote for a centrist Dean to get Bush out of office? Or are they going to vote for Nader again and let Bush have four more years? I'd like to go with the former, but you usually can't go wrong betting on the complete and utter stupidity of a pinko...