I'm disappointed . . . . .

[Ned]

Rufus, Perhaps.

But what the poll does show is that the Dems cannot win only with Liberals. They need moderates as well. Right now, independents seem to break heavily for Bush with the lastest poll showing Bush at 60% to Dean's 31%, IIRC. At best Dean seems to be getting the Democrat Party and nobody else.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Ned
Rufus, Perhaps.

But what the poll does show is that the Dems cannot win only with Liberals. They need moderates as well. Right now, independents seem to break heavily for Bush with the lastest poll showing Bush at 60% to Dean's 31%, IIRC. At best Dean seems to be getting the Democrat Party and nobody else.

That may well be true, but it's also meaningless at this stage of the game. First, remember that voters in general, and independents in particular, don't tend to settle on a candidate until the last few weeks of before the election. Second, remember that Dean hasn't started seeking independent votes. Right now, his mission is to win the Democratic nomination -- a process in which independents have almost no say. Once he (or whoever) has that sewn up, he can trust the party apparatus to keep the base on track while he woos independents and disaffected Republicans. That's the traditional "tack left/right for the primaries, then back to the center for the election" strategy that both parties have been using for some time now.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Rufus, Perhaps.

But what the poll does show is that the Dems cannot win only with Liberals.

But what you and many others forget is, 2000 showed that the DP can't win without liberals.

[TCO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
[Q] Originally posted by TCO


You probably have a point here.

They are both good points. I think you drank too much beer at the Heartland and fell in love with a poster. We'll figure it out with a self-criticism circle.

[TCO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


But what you and many others forget is, 2000 showed that the DP can't win without liberals.

You're not a liberal. You're a commie. Quit messing around with the fellow travellers and join a proper cell.