Return of the King

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


During a battle near the door to Moria, during the war of the dwarves and the orcs.

Yes, the Battle of Azanulbizar (sp.)

[lord of the mark]

"what were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth?


I'm pretty sure Umbar was one. Don't remember the other one.


The other is Lond Daer. (west of Isengard)"

Im quite sure Pelargir was the principle haven of the elf friends among the Numenorians, while Umbar was the haven of the black Numenorians. Not sure about Lond Daer.

Pelargir may have had elvish associations going back to the early second age, when Elves from Lorien departed from their, leaving an Elvish association with Dol Amroth.

[hexagonian]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Theben

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
In the books they discard the armor once they realize that no one else is around. Sam also gives Frodo his cloak.

You can be assured that the EE will take care of this. The scene where they were conscipted by the orcs was shot...

Makes me sad that I'll have to wait 11 more months for the true version to be released. We are all just watching a very cool trailer at the moment.

[Arrian]

The scene where they were conscipted by the orcs was shot...

That has been confirmed? If so, excellent.

-Arrian

[Dis]

one more time. I have to know. This isn't a trivia question, I just missed it at the end of the movie.

What happens the the blond chick at the end? I think her name was Eryn or something like that. I'm assuming Aragorn ends up with the brunette chick and they live happily ever after. I thought I saw the blonde chick at the very end getting on the boat, I may be wrong on that though.

And why are the women so white in this movie? . The men have tans, but the women don't.

And no minorities in these movies either for that matter. Yes I know they really wouldn't fit- the books weren't written that way. But I'm curious how this movie makes so much money with no minorities in it. Obviously some minorities are watching and liking these movies.

[Arrian]

Eowen ends up with Faramir (Boromir's brother, they guy who is almost burned alive by dear old Dad, but is saved by Pippin & Gandalf) and lives happily ever after in Ithilien. The problem with the movie is that isn't explained at all - you just get a *very* short shot of Eowen and Faramir smiling at each other during Aragorn's coronation/wedding. I expect the EE will have more (probably the missing "Halls of Healing" chapter).

The blond on the boat at the end is Galadriel, the elf queen of Lothlorien.

As for the whiteness issue, well, Tolkein was writing a psuedo Norse myth (the lands in the story are the extreme Northwest of Middle Earth). He has been accused of racism, due to the whole "good guys are white and Western, bad guys are "swarthy" and from the East and South" thing. All men are products of their day, I figure.

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

And why are the women so white in this movie?

It's medieval fantasy. All the women stay inside to cook and stuff .

[Dis]

okay thanks

I've noticed the use of color in this movie. I can understand it's based of books written many, many years ago, so I'm not complaining.

Everything in Mordor is so dark, and the good guys so white. Most of the Orcs were "dark" as well. Except in Return of the King- you had that one orc with no helmet and head gear who was the ugliest thing I have ever seen. He was fairly pale.

And what exactly were the guys on the boats. I'm assuming they were barbarians. I tend to think in D&D terms, as I know more about D&D than LOTR's.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Dissident
one more time. I have to know. This isn't a trivia And no minorities in these movies either for that matter. .

Well at least in the books:

1. theres a lot about Dwarves, and the need for Dwarves and Elves to get along better together.
2. Theres an almost PC piece about the Wild men of the White Mountains, and how the Rohirrim come to appreciate them.
etc, etc.

[Arrian]

The guys on boats were the Corsairs of Umbar. Kinda barbaric, yeah.

Some of them would have some Numenorean blood in them from waaaaaay back in the second age, when Numenorean sailors made a Haven down there. But those were the "black Numenoreans" as in "bad Numenoreans" who rebelled against the ban of the Valar and managed to get their island (Atlantis, essentially) destroyed. The kingdoms of Arnor (formerly in the area near the Shire, but fallen into ruin by the time of LotR and Gondor were founded by the faithful Numenoreans who fled Numenor just before the fall. Hence, there is a sort of a blood feud going on with Umbar.

The guys on the Oliphaunts were Haradrim... from farther South, or maybe the East, I forget.

-Arrian, geek.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian

The guys on the Oliphaunts were Haradrim... from farther South, or maybe the East, I forget.

-Arrian, geek.

Haradrim are described as Southrons in the LOTR. Harad is south of Gondor.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Agathon
Here's a harder one.

Who dealt Sauron his first defeat as Dark Lord?

I was wrong about this one. It was Tar-Minastir.

[Arrian]

Right, so south of Umbar (which, back when Gondor was stronger, was part of Gondor, right?)

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
Right, so south of Umbar (which, back when Gondor was stronger, was part of Gondor, right?)

-Arrian

actually thats kinda vague, at least in LOTR. Harad consists of Near Harad and Far Harad. Umbar is DEFINITELY south of Near Harad. Its on the coast, and the implication seems to be that far harad is inland. So when Gondor conquered Umbar, they did do by sea, and didnt necessarily conquer inland Harad (though they did rule Near Harad in the days of their power, IIRC)

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
"what were the two main Numenorean havens in Middle Earth?


I'm pretty sure Umbar was one. Don't remember the other one.


The other is Lond Daer. (west of Isengard)"

Im quite sure Pelargir was the principle haven of the elf friends among the Numenorians, while Umbar was the haven of the black Numenorians. Not sure about Lond Daer.

Pelargir may have had elvish associations going back to the early second age, when Elves from Lorien departed from their, leaving an Elvish association with Dol Amroth.

Nope. You are right about Pelargir being a Numenorean haven and it being that of the faithful. But the faithful were a minority and Umbar and Lond Daer were the main ones.

Lond Daer was originally Vinyalonde. Founded by the Numenoreans

The Elf haven you are thinking of is Edhellond, which is marked on the map. The elvish association with Dol Amroth is that Amroth jumped off it to his doom and that it's next to Edhellond and that Galadriel and Celeborn lived there for a while in a tower by the sea.