Yeah!!!! Stick it to those mother$%^& and break it off!!!!

[David Floyd]

Actually, you have CF-18s, and they're out of date and under-maintained.

In any case, the US has F-22s and M1A2s, so I guess the musket comparison is still the same

[techumseh]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Techumseh:

It would help if I had a sound card. I have no sound on my computer.

I'll try to find the text and post it after work tonight. Still, it's no comparison to the live performance of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie on the link!

[CharlesBHoff]

I have than Uncled who service in the Korean War an sent 1 year in vietman. There was than young know it all second liet just out of West Point who was telling him we are wining the war against the Vietcong as the number of attack is going down. My Uncle who was than Master Sergeant said you are wrong sir, the Vietcong is up to something. Then the Tect Offense happen. The Veitcong won than victory against us when we have to carpect bomb the old Imperial Palace because after 1 month of fighting we where unable to recaptive it from then, the palace was than inportant cultural building of the Vietman people of both side we destory.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Do you feel a draft?

It ain't worth the cost of invading Canada MtG.

Yeah, you're right - I don't know how you people spend half your lives ass deep in snow.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Now, does anyone find this somewhat similar to some of the quotes about Vietnam coming from the military and government in, I dunno, the 1962-64 range?

The basic gist is a crock of ****, but I didn't read that this was derived from military sources. If so, it certainly wasn't top level, because we still have people shaped by Vietnam and the immediate post-Vietnam era, and they're loath to focus on attrition rates or hard body count claims. I smell chickenhawk, not professional warfighter.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler


Of course. I understand the game, you don't.

Ah, the one with the ever changing rules and definitions and exceptions?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by techumseh


Sure it is! Remember what happened the last time they tried it?

Have a listen. http://www.ampcast.com/LST-72054-mus...ar_of_1812.m3u

You don't have the Brits to do your dirty work for you, and besides, if you burn the White House, just make sure you do us a favor and get Congress too.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Apart from the expected battle of Baghdad, I've been absolutely right. And I'm afraid I'm right about the future too.

The oracle at Delphi was right too.

Not to piss on your parade, though, but I just don't see the massive uprising people were whining about.

[HershOstropoler]

I told you the whole thing would be a bonanza for terrorists. That is just evolving now, IMO. That there is a guerilla war on top of this is a bit surprising, but related to the fight at Baghdad that didn't happen.

And where did I say anything about mass uprisings? You'll leave Iraq as a matter of attrition, not uprisings.

[Ted Striker]

Once you're in, clear victory or clear defeat are the only unilateral ways out, because any form of peace requires the acceptance and adherence of all sides.

Until then, you have to deal with the people who keep attacking, and you may as well deal with it professionally, decisively and well, else you end up with FUBARs like the Iran-Iraq war or the Somme.

[techumseh]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


You don't have the Brits to do your dirty work for you, and besides, if you burn the White House, just make sure you do us a favor and get Congress too.

I think after the last time, they used non-flammable materials, such as stone and brick. Perhaps we'll just bring along lots of snow, and freeze the place this time.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I was just lumping the different versions of the "doom will befall us" together, as I don't see any of them really developing, despite the number of half-assed US actions.

I also don't thing enough time has passed, or enough impact created by their actions, to say it's yet a bonanza for terrorists. Besides, since they didn't like us in the first place, I figured most of the one that have been active so far would have been anyway.

We're also not close to an attrition point - the Iraqis would have to repeat November's numbers all the time, for a good long time, to even have a chance of going there, unless by some miracle a dumbass like Dean were to beat Bush in the election. And maybe not even then.

[Ted Striker]

True

If anything attrition is working against Saddam loyalists

The real threat is the foreign troublemakers who are a little harder to get a handle on

Oh but you are just loving it huh Roland

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I was just lumping the different versions of the "doom will befall us" together,

You can lump anything you want as long as you don't wrongly attribute it to me.

As for attrition and terrorism, I said we're pretty much at the starting point.

[Ted Striker]

The starting point, just like the implosion of the housing bubble huh Master Predictor?

The attition is entering its ending phases

Terrorism is at the midpoint