Yeah!!!! Stick it to those mother$%^& and break it off!!!!

[Ted Striker]

Holy crap the UN is going to invade the USA!!!

Run for your lives

Oh wait last time the UN got beat by Cub Scout Troop 546 from Battle Creek Michigan

[Zylka]

Ted has a boner

[Ted Striker]

true

[Zylka]

USA! USA! USA! USA!

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[Ted Striker]

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned


Charles - a very reasonable proposal. I suppose you got this from the Dean website?

Also, it is good for us to know how Dean supporters really think.

First I than a repulbian that is very disappoint in Bush and the far rightwing Christian who control the party. Bush didnot
win the 2000 election on his own the hight court gave it to him illegality. He didnot win the populate votes at all and he didnot win any clear mandate from the america people.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by SpencerH


Just in case this isnt a troll.

Despite some initial gains due mainly to the surprise and scale of their attack, the 68 Tet offensive was a military loss for the North Vietnamese and the last time they tried to mount a large scale offensive using regular troops in direct confrontation against the americans.

The Vietman Com wherenot aiming for a military victory at all, we where proclaim to the whole world that we won a great victory. Yet the Vietman com reorginate an continue hit and run attack against us. We ended up leaveing vietman as than
defeat military force. We won all the battle but lost the war in the end.

[Mr. Harley]

Oerdin said: You keep going back to one comment where I called an person who willfull

EDITING - ACCIDENTLY HIT ENTER AND SENT WHEN NOT DONE

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
heres more

"During the past 24 hours, the 82nd Airborne Division and subordinate units have conducted 173 patrols, including nine joint patrols with the Iraqi Border Guard and Iraqi police. During these operations, 10 enemy personnel were captured. There were no U.S. casualties.

Elementd of 3rd Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division successfully conducted three simultaneous cordon and searches in Fallujah. These operations targeted members of the Jasmin anti-Coalition cell. Forces captured five individuals and took them into custody for questioning.

Elements also conducted a cordon and search to capture Abu Bilal Al Janabi. He is suspected of financing and aiding anti-coalition activities, paying rewards for attacks against Coalition forces, and has been implicated in the participation of anti-coalition events in Fallujah. The targeted individual was captured during the mission. He was taken into custody for questioning.

In 1st Brigade, 1st Infantry Division’s area of operations, elements discovered a large cache north of Khalidiyah. The cache contained 650 plastic Anti-Tank mines, 400 Anti-Personnel mines, and 280 Rocket Propelled Gernade (RPG) warheads, RPG fuel rods, and propellant as well as 10 Anti-Tank missiles, and various small arms and demolitions."

1. 10 more capture
2. large munitions cache captured.

At some point the baddies run out of ammo. In Nam that didnt happen cause they brought in more via the Ho Chi Minh trail, and NV imported more from China and Russia, and built its own in underground factories. VN was VERY MUCH a war of logistics, IIUC. Where is the Baathist Ho Chi Minh trail?

It turn out they didnot capute the person they wanted I hear.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


First I than a repulbian that is very disappoint in Bush and the far rightwing Christian who control the party. Bush didnot
win the 2000 election on his own the hight court gave it to him illegality. He didnot win the populate votes at all and he didnot win any clear mandate from the america people.

Charles, of course the religious zealots like Schwarzennegger control the party. Ditto the election. It was not as if Bush was not ahead in Florida at the statutory deadline. We all know that a fifth recount with a new set of rules surely would have changed all that. We would have kept recounting and changing the rules until the result was right. But the stupid Supreme Court said we had to stop changing the rules. Bad Supreme Court.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The Vietman Com wherenot aiming for a military victory at all, we where proclaim to the whole world that we won a great victory. Yet the Vietman com reorginate an continue hit and run attack against us. We ended up leaveing vietman as than
defeat military force. We won all the battle but lost the war in the end.

Very true. We lost that war because we left with a peace treaty in place that guaranteed South Vietnam independence. This was a big mistake and a military defeat because everyone knows that you cannot make a deal with communist governments that they will keep. So we knew when we left that South Vietnam was finished.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The Vietman Com wherenot aiming for a military victory at all, we where proclaim to the whole world that we won a great victory. Yet the Vietman com reorginate an continue hit and run attack against us. We ended up leaveing vietman as than
defeat military force. We won all the battle but lost the war in the end.

Ah! I shouldn't have bothered.

[techumseh]

No, CharlesBHoff is right. The Tet Offensive resulted in a military defeat for the North. VC cadres were decimated, and afterwards the regular North Vietnamese army had to take on the lion's share of the fighting.

BUT....

The offensive was timed for the US elections. Despite the American military victory, US forces (then at their height - 550,000 troops) were forced on the defensive, took heavy casualties, lost a major city (Hue) and had their own embassy in Saigon almost captured by VC sappers. It took a massive use of airpower to turn the tide.

The American public had been fooled by their government into thinking the war was being won (can you imagine such a thing? ). Tet shook that notion and afterwards American public opinion started to shift strongly against the war. The US congress started to cut funding for the war, so despite the fact that Nixon wanted to continue it, he was forced to start negotiations and troop reductions.

So Tet was a decisive victory for the north, despite the fact that they lost the tactical battle.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


First I than a repulbian that is very disappoint in Bush and the far rightwing Christian who control the party. Bush didnot
win the 2000 election on his own the hight court gave it to him illegality. He didnot win the populate votes at all and he didnot win any clear mandate from the america people.

dude, your posts are a strain to read. could you please try and type a little more coherently? nothin against you, i just dont wanna start ignoring your posts as i am sure many have already begun doing

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by techumseh
Why are you still taking these things at face value? Even if we ignore the entire history of military briefings during the Vietnam War, we still have the recent examples of "Finding Weapons of Mass Destruction", "Jessica (Miss Nude Army) Lynch and the Big Rescue", and the recent "Shoot Out at the Bank of Iraq (46 Saddamites at one blow!)."

There's an old saying: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Let's extrapolate: "Fool me four times, I'm an idiot!"

Soldiers talk. If the material in these briefings is made up out of whole cloth, it will out, and fairly soon. Body counts of dead are probably exagerated - it may well have been 20 or 30 Fedayeen Saddam dead at Samarra, not 46. If it was zero then every single grunt would have to be in on the lie - which I dont believe. And its hard to see how the numbers of captured could be exagerated in the same way.