Study: Sexuality hard-wired by Genetics

[Ben Kenobi]

Even if it could be shown that there were a gene for homosexuality, it does not mean that all who inherit the gene will act as homosexuals. In fact, it is a requirement that the gene does not predetermine behavior in order for the gene to propagate.

Suppose the gene made 100% of all who had the gene exclusively homosexual? The gene would simply die out and fail to propagate. Therefore, there must need to be some wiggle room, either not everyone with the gene was homosexual, in the case of a recessive gene, or the gene merely influences behavior, and the urges can be controlled.

Therefore, even if the gene exists, it must also allow for people to control their behavior.

Did you win, Rufus?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Even if it could be shown that there were a gene for homosexuality, it does not mean that all who inherit the gene will act as homosexuals. In fact, it is a requirement that the gene does not predetermine behavior in order for the gene to propagate.

Suppose the gene made 100% of all who had the gene exclusively homosexual? The gene would simply die out and fail to propagate. Therefore, there must need to be some wiggle room, either not everyone with the gene was homosexual, in the case of a recessive gene, or the gene merely influences behavior, and the urges can be controlled.

Therefore, even if the gene exists, it must also allow for people to control their behavior.

Did you win, Rufus?

Why yes, I think I did. Or at least I got close.

Obviously there's always some room for changing behavior, as closeted homosexuals have proven throughout history and continue to prove. The real question is, why should you strive to overcome behavior that you are hard-wired for? We would all agree now, I think, that forcing a left-handed child to cultivate right-handedness is misguided, if not cruel; to do so because we perceive left-handedness as evil (as some ancient societies did) is, at best, loopy.

I don't want to dump on Christianity, which I consider to be a beautiful religion in many of its particulars. But a God who deliberately codes people at the genetic level for behavior that He Himself abhors, just to see how much faith they actually have, is a sadistic monster. If that's who you're saying your God is, I'd be interested to know how you can keep from considering Him monsterous. If that's not who you're saying you're God is, then I guess I'm not sure how you'r reconciling this study with a conservative Christian perspective.

[Az]

They found 54 genes produced in different amounts in male and female mouse brains, prior to hormonal influence

WWWWWWWAIIIIIIT. wait wait wait wait wait. WTF? "genes produced in different amounts"?

[Combat Ingrid]

Azazel: read the abstract I posted, it's more scientific

[Az]

I don't understand. Do this genes make you prefer girls or boys? that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

[Combat Ingrid]

They may do. But it is certainly far from proven. Anyway, it's interesting stuff

[Spiffor]

Combat Ingrid:

I am a layman, but if I understand your abstract the study basically says:

"- We knew already there were differences between the brains of males and females
- The scientific community thought before the hormones were responsible of these differences
- Our team has found that brain differences between males and females are not due to hormones, but to genes"

This is probablya very interesting step for the biologist community, but it remains a bit abstract for us normal people I'm thinking someone (the whole scientist team / one attention whore in the team / the scientific journalist) just talked about homosexuality to get publicity.

[Q Classic]

this, i think is all we need to say about sexuality: a song by group x, for the atlanta radio station 99x.

http://www.nanyzuda.hpg.ig.com.br/Tema%20%23Mepossoi/Group%20X%20-%20Bang%20Bang%20Bang.txt

I just want bang, bang, bang!

I don’t want relationship
I just want bang, bang, bang.
I don’t want to know your name
I just want bang, bang, bang.
I don’t want to meet your mum,
I just want bang, bang, bang.
Fresh u drive me insane
Will you give me dat?
Bang, bang, bang!

Ok
Annie
Listen,
I don’t want to make sex, eat chocolate, look at animals, take walk,
No.
You come home and you say “Hashmier, touch me down there, I like that”
I don’t think so Annie
Don’t have time, want to drink, cigarette,
U no, u no dose I mean Annie?
I tell u what
I just want bang, bang, bang!

I don’t want to talk to you
I just want bang, bang, bang
I don’t want to no your name
I just want bang, bang, bang
I don’t want relationship
I just want bang, bang, bang
Fresh u drive me insane
Will you give me dat?
Bang, bang, bang!

Oh Hashmier, Hashmier, you look so good in that hat,
Why don’t you give me lots of kiss?
Wrong...
I don’t think so, Annie,
You want me to do things to you like the sun and the moon
Idiot
I don’t have time-I have too many women
All I got time for
You know what is
I just want bang, bang, bang!

I don’t want to talk to you
I just want bang, bang, bang
I don’t want to no your name
I just want bang, bang, bang
Fresh, u drive me insane
Will you give me that, bang, bang, bang?

Fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh
u give me that bang, bang, bang!

Bang, bang, bang

shrkida bang, bang, bang

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I don’t want relationship,
I just want bang, bang, bang!

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Combat Ingrid:

I am a layman, but if I understand your abstract the study basically says:

"- We knew already there were differences between the brains of males and females
- The scientific community thought before the hormones were responsible of these differences
- Our team has found that brain differences between males and females are not due to hormones, but to genes"

This is probablya very interesting step for the biologist community, but it remains a bit abstract for us normal people I'm thinking someone (the whole scientist team / one attention whore in the team / the scientific journalist) just talked about homosexuality to get publicity.

Pretty much correct except that it should be "not only due to hormones..."

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Ok, this question needs to be asked...so I'll ask it.

If this study is true, then I have no choice to be who and what I am...so on this same line of thought, how can homosexuality be wrong (or a sin for that matter)?

Some people are sexually attracted to children. Does this mean that pedophilia cannot be wrong?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Panzer32


Some people are sexually attracted to children. Does this mean that pedophilia cannot be wrong?

Nice try, but you miss the point. There's no evidence that such attraction is genetic, or even biological. Rather, it appears to be psychological, and is therefore analogous to something like having a foot fetish or some other kink. Given that we're discussing the possibility of homosexuality being part of some people's hard wiring, there's no comparison to be made.

[Starchild]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Even if it could be shown that there were a gene for homosexuality, it does not mean that all who inherit the gene will act as homosexuals. In fact, it is a requirement that the gene does not predetermine behavior in order for the gene to propagate.

Suppose the gene made 100% of all who had the gene exclusively homosexual? The gene would simply die out and fail to propagate. Therefore, there must need to be some wiggle room, either not everyone with the gene was homosexual, in the case of a recessive gene, or the gene merely influences behavior, and the urges can be controlled.

Therefore, even if the gene exists, it must also allow for people to control their behavior.

Did you win, Rufus?

Unless of course, the allele of the gene acts overall to be beneficial to the species. Such as a gene that hypothetically say, makes men who have it gay but makes women who carry it better mothers. Obviously the men won't pass the gene on but the women will benefit from the gene, have more children live to sexual maturity, and the gene will survive. So even some may not pass the gene on, enough will to ensure it's survival.

I don't deny that you can control urges. Hunger, after all, is just a combination of hormones and nerves feeding back upon each other yet people still starve to death. The question is, is it right to control those urges? Should a starving person deny themselves food because fringe members of society say it's immoral for them to eat?

I want to shout at the top of my voice that genes don't create behaviours, desires, or personalities. Genes create proteins. Yet most people would require a college level education in biology to understand what subtle and powerful meanings that sentence has.

[Sarxis]

So in this study, they were able to produce transvestite mice?

[Jules]

Yeah, the male mice looked so cute in their little ballerina dresses.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Odin


Says the stupid creationist. Creationists shouldn't even be allowed to talk about science.

**** I come back here and find myself in agreement with Odin.

The Diplomat: Prove it. For once in your life, prove it. Prove that homosexuality is immoral behavior. And I don't want to hear stinking bible quotes. I think I got enough of that when I watched that **** Pat Robertson was saying on the TV. What an idiot. Pro gay agenda? Since when did we have an agenda? We just want equal recognization.