Study: Sexuality hard-wired by Genetics

[Neutrino]

Behavior has a genetic basis. The extent that genes control behavior depends on the specific type of behavior. Phenotype = Genotype + Environmental factors. Behavior is a phenotype.

I can guarantee that if you take 2+ years of college biology classes, you will come to know that evolution is true and that it cannot be statistically disproved.

I'm sure my Behavioral Ecology professor will bring up this topic in class and assign us the paper the scientists wrote to read. If that happens soon then I'll post my opinion of it here, and what I think of the way they arrived at this conclusion.

[Sikander]

The article and thread title should read:

Study: Gender hard-wired by genetics

Even that might be an overstatement of the importance of the study, but where was there any indication of sexual preference in the article at all? It was all about gender, and I seriously doubt that there was a follow up questionaire of the mice in order to ascertain their sexual preferences. I note that the statement by the researcher was perhaps accurate, but that the homosexual thing was brought into the article by the journalist. Not proven, not even close.

[Spiffor]

So, Asher, does this study mean you have the brain of a woman in a body of man ?

[reds4ever]

Re: Study: Sexuality hard-wired by Genetics

Originally posted by Asher

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/10/20/sexuality.brain.reut/index.html

Well, most people already knew it wasn't a choice.

so how come you changed your mind (sort of)?

[Lincoln]

He also just threw a monkey wrench into femenism. There must be a mistake somewhere. That is certainly not politically correct.

[Wittlich]

Sikander, here is the begining of the article again with the homosexuality part bolded so that you will not miss it:

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Sexual identity is wired into the genes, which discounts the concept that homosexuality and transgender sexuality are a choice, California researchers reported on Monday.

EDIT: If you will notice, the article states that this is what the researchers reported - not the journalist.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor
So, Asher, does this study mean you have the brain of a woman in a body of man ?

That would be someone that feels that they're transgendered.

But it is entirely likely that I have a brain more similar to that of a woman's than a man's, which would certainly explain attraction to the same sex.

The point is, not only testosterone and estrogen separate males and females.

Proving that men and women, and indeed gay men and straight men, have different genes and brain structures go a long way in determining if it's a choice or not.

[Spiffor]

I don't doubt homosexuality is not a choice (well, acting on the homosexual inclination is a choice, but I see nothing wrong with that )
But to say it is "hard wired" by genetics is quite an overstatement, especially when the study to corroborate your claim is an article explaining that brains are genetically different between males and females.
We knew for a few years now both sexes have different brains already...

[Method]

Originally posted by The diplomat
No. Genes determine physical traits and biophysical processes, not behavior.

[Datajack Franit]

I dunno, when I was a kid I liked boobies

[Space05us]

This study is bull****. It is made up just to "back-up" the pro-gay agenda. It is a yet another perfect example of science being used to excuse immoral behavior.

on the contrary now you can go tell everyone that it is in fact a disease, scientists say so!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Sikander, here is the begining of the article again with the homosexuality part bolded so that you will not miss it:

EDIT: If you will notice, the article states that this is what the researchers reported - not the journalist.

Look, a lot of what this study says it proves was already well-known in regards to gender. We have known the mechanism for gender for a very long time, and we have also been able to measure the differences in men's brains vs womens brains. This study simply shows that at least some of this happens earlier than previously proven (but not theorized or even observed). Yay. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with someone's sexuality, where there is strong correlation between gender and sexual preference (what, about 90% or so) and as yet no proof of causation for any sexual preference, straight, gay or bi.

As for the journalist, he / she / it knows what sells. This is why the homosexual thing is in the title as well as the first line, yet is not mentioned again in the article. Note also that it is not a quote, but seemingly an impression that the journalist had about the research. Show me the article that the NY Times writes about this study (if they bother) and perhaps we can take some actual information from it and have a discussion.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't doubt homosexuality is not a choice (well, acting on the homosexual inclination is a choice, but I see nothing wrong with that )
But to say it is "hard wired" by genetics is quite an overstatement, especially when the study to corroborate your claim is an article explaining that brains are genetically different between males and females.
We knew for a few years now both sexes have different brains already...

See, Spiffor understands this completely, and English isn't his first language.

[yavoon]

just as well have a study say that. I'm surprised this isnt like getting funding for determining the differences between the races.

[Datajack Franit]

Yavoon is it an impression of mine or you just can't avoid posting stupid things