Loads of good news from Iraq that the cynical left would rather not hear...

[Q Classic]

so you are willing to admit that there are plenty of rightists who engage in the exact same tactics that these leftists you speak of use?

[Giant_Squid]

So basically what you're saying is that there are good people and bad people on both sides and the title of this thread was just a pathetic troll against the left intended to foster animousity and partisan division? Is that what I'm hearing? Okay, good, just wanted to make sure.

[FrustratedPoet]

So basically what you're saying is that there are good people and bad people on both sides

What baffles me the most is this strange idea that there are only two sides.

[Giant_Squid]

FOR invading Iraq...or AGAINST invading Iraq...no? I guess you could invade Iraq halfway and then go home, but we tried that with W's father and it didn't work all that well.

[Dinner]

It's limited but there does seem to be some truth in what he says. The media does have a vested interest in making things out to be worse then they are because doom, gloom, and sansationalism all sell papers.

[Lincoln]

The right and left both have their cynics but the right is the lesser of two evils by a long shot. If the left had their way France would still be vetoing any attempt to free Iraq and the dictator of Iraq would still be torturing his people. There is a big difference. One side actually did something and the other likes to talk about how much they care about people.

[Q Classic]

why is the right the lesser of the two evils?

[Theben]

Well, I'm glad things seem to be turning out better than expected over there, Lincoln.
Seriously.

I'm just wondering if it was necessary to alienate our allies in the process. Or alienate muslim nations, whose "hearts and minds" we're supposed to be winning. Or clamping down on the rights of americans at home. Or not be fully prepared for the follow up.

Probably a few other things I could mention but you get my drift.

(btw, that leftist organization NPR had already mentioned similar stories to what printed, so it's not like it's new news.)

[FrustratedPoet]

Because they don't care about people and just do things?

[Lincoln]

Well I have to go for a few hours (I have to fabricate some more good news ) so in the meantime the cynics can prove that all the quotes I posted are lies posted on the official Whitehouse website. If you succeed think of the scandal you can cause in Washington? (This can be a worthy task for someone. You only have to find one comma out of place and voila! instant scandal!)

If you read the page (below) start about half way down because I already posted most of the first half.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/iraq/20030929-13.html

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Theben
Well, I'm glad things seem to be turning out better than expected over there, Lincoln.
Seriously.

I'm just wondering if it was necessary to alienate our allies in the process. Or alienate muslim nations, whose "hearts and minds" we're supposed to be winning. Or clamping down on the rights of americans at home. Or not be fully prepared for the follow up.

Probably a few other things I could mention but you get my drift.

(btw, that leftist organization NPR had already mentioned similar stories to what printed, so it's not like it's new news.)

Well I am happy that you are happy. Your post is refreshing because I really believe that many people really do care that the people are given another chance regardless of their political leaning. My position on the war and alieniating allies is, if I was in prison being tortured I wouldn't care at all who was offended that I was set free.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Lincoln
My position on the war and alieniating allies is, if I was in prison being tortured I wouldn't care at all who was offended that I was set free.

Fair enough.

But my point is we need those allies & muslims on our side. Esp. the muslims, since alienating them will result in greater numbers of terrorists. Also now Bush is asking for U.N. support; if he keeps using the same tactics he won't get it, and that ties us down longer and with more money and personnel. From your POV, that alone should be worth attention, as we'll be delayed from helping others.

[Ben Kenobi]

Lincoln:

As a pacifist, I can't support the methods used by the United States to topple Saddam, I am pleased to see that things are getting better.

I hope that the US does not give up because of the expense, but that they will see this reconstruction through to the bitter end.

The same goes for Afghanistan.

Would it not have been better to let the people of Iraq rebel against Saddam?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Lincoln, do you want to see how happy actually the arabs are with the US politics in the middle east, including the war in Iraq? Read this

You should know that the opinions of Muslims in general and Iraqis in particular would be very different.

[Ramo]

I would've liked to see a well-thought out plan subject to public scrutiny which protects the liberties and welfare of Iraqis before we actually invaded. That didn't happen, thus the war was not justified even if some Iraqis are better in the short term. We could've done a much better post-war job if our gov't actually was actually responsible and genuniely cared about Iraqis. And the opinion of the people reflect that. Of course the cyncial/delusion right doesn't want to hear that either.