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is it my fault when my goverment defines natural acting like traveling as self-govenment? I just travel. there´s nothing wrong with it.
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Your definition of "fundamental human right" seems awfully narrow and arbitrary. Would you mind pointing out why exactly freedoms of expression and self-government cover it completely?
Most people would regard the freedom of movement to be a fundamental human right. For instance, it's enshrined in the UN charter of human rights."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Huh? What are you saying?
Some "right to travel to another country" is not part of your freedom of expression or self-government. Where'd you get that idea?Comment
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I'm saying these are the ones that, if violated, you are justified in breaking the law. The reason is because they are the ones that ensure that you have a say in the law. For any other "right" that gets restricted, it is the will of the majority and democratic.Originally posted by Ramo
Your definition of "fundamental human right" seems awfully narrow and arbitrary. Would you mind pointing out why exactly freedoms of expression and self-government cover it completely?
Most people would regard the freedom of movement to be a fundamental human right. For instance, it's enshrined in the UN charter of human rights.Comment
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When MLK protested segregation, did he deserve to be locked up as equal protection under the law is covered under neither freedom of expression or self-government? What about when Gandhi made salt in defiance of British trade restrictions?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yes it is. Without equal protection, you don't have self-government. Plus, the law itself was unconstitutional
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That doesn't make any sense. If a law restricts freedom of movement, it's the will of the majority and if it restricts freedom of speech it isn't? How does that work?I'm saying these are the ones that, if violated, you are justified in breaking the law. The reason is because they are the ones that ensure that you have a say in the law. For any other "right" that gets restricted, it is the will of the majority and democratic."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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If it restricts freedom of speech, then it makes the state undemocratic. And as you have every right to revolt in an undemocratic society...Comment
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Yes you do. They aren't mutually exlusive.Yes it is. Without equal protection, you don't have self-government.
Not according to the courts (i.e. the entities that determine constitutionality) at the time. And the point is, it isn't covered under your "fundamental human rights."Plus, the law itself was unconstitutional"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yes you do. They aren't mutually exlusive.
No they aren't. If you have self-government, you have as much say in the government as anyone else.
Not according to the courts (i.e. the entities that determine constitutionality) at the time. And the point is, it isn't covered under your "fundamental human rights."
I wasn't using that to support my side, I was just pointing out something.Comment
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Why is freedom of speech a requirement of democracy, while freedom of movement is not? The freedom of movment is fundamental in democracy, as it guarantees the ability to escape from an oppressive state.If it restricts freedom of speech, then it makes the state undemocratic. And as you have every right to revolt in an undemocratic society..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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If it is an oppressive state, then you have every right to revolt, as it is undemocratic.Comment
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Yes, but that doesn't mean you get the same benefits as everyone else. If I go to a segregated public university, that doesn't impair my right to vote.No they aren't. If you have self-government, you have as much say in the government as anyone else.
When you quote something, you are supposed to respond to it, not add an incorrect statement.I wasn't using that to support my side, I was just pointing out something."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yes, but that doesn't mean you get the same benefits as everyone else. If I go to a segregated public university, that doesn't impair my right to vote.
Ok then. So? Vote to make segregation illegal.Comment
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