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If it is an oppressive state, then you have every right to revolt, as it is undemocratic.
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The point is that your idea of a free state is my idea of an oppressive state. If I disagree with the policies of a state (i.e. find it too authoritarian), I always have the recourse of escaping it in a democratic system."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Once again, so you agree with the imprisonment of MLK when he did an act of civil disobedience against segregation?Ok then. So? Vote to make segregation illegal."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How is that a fundamental human right?Originally posted by oedo
in this case it would violate my freedom to travel to Iraq anytime I like or need.
"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Well, you can always claim asylum at an embassy and renounce US citizenship.
Referring back to the original point of contention, the sanctions keep you from bringing goods or money into Iraq because they are a "hostile" country. I think the law may actually be part of the UN sanctions on Iraq (I don't know, though). If you move there and become Iraqi, they wouldn't do anything (they really wouldn't care all that much).Comment
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Yeah, Iraq and Cuba are such hostile threats to america. Any minute, they could invade.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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Personally, *IMHO* the law was unconstitutional anyways, so yes it was wrong. However, if the law was constitutional, yes, he broke the law. I'm not saying he did a bad thing, but the law should apply equally and consistantly. He didn't have to break the law to protest it.Originally posted by Ramo
Once again, so you agree with the imprisonment of MLK when he did an act of civil disobedience against segregation?Comment
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It insures you can choose another state if you disagree with the laws, get a better life for yourself, get better education, get a better job, etc., etc.How is that a fundamental human right?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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More like we were putting pressure on Saddam by embargoing him.Originally posted by Osweld
Yeah, Iraq and Cuba are such hostile threats to america. Any minute, they could invade.
It isn't a real effective embargo if you let people trade with them is it?Comment
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Again, just claim asylum at the embassy.Originally posted by Ramo
It insures you can choose another state if you disagree with the laws, get a better life for yourself, get better education, get a better job, etc., etc.
However, I don't think this is exactly a concern with Iraq (looking for a more democratic, prosperous country)
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Why should I? And there aren't many countries that take in lots of asylum seekers, BTW. Just look at the Euros ***** and whine on this forum.Well, you can always claim asylum at an embassy and renounce US citizenship.
That's idiotic.Referring back to the original point of contention, the sanctions keep you from bringing goods or money into Iraq because they are a "hostile" country.
No it's not.I think the law may actually be part of the UN sanctions on Iraq (I don't know, though).
Why should they have to do that?If you move there and become Iraqi, they wouldn't do anything (they really wouldn't care all that much).
This is the sort of blind legalistic fanaticism that is far too prevalent in this country.Personally, *IMHO* the law was unconstitutional anyways, so yes it was wrong. However, if the law was constitutional, yes, he broke the law. I'm not saying he did a bad thing, but the law should apply equally and consistantly. He didn't have to break the law to protest it.
What about when Hitler decided to put 12 million people in concentration camps (i.e. taking away their freedom of movemtn)? Should the Jews, Roma, etc. worry about breaking the law? Since the right to movement isn't covered under freedom of expression or freedom of self government?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Have you ever tried claiming asylum? Do you realize how hard it is to do that? Especially if you're poor or uneducated or have the wrong skin color? For instance, if you come from the wrong country, we automatically detain asylum seekers for months to years. Being locked up isn't very fun.
And the point isn't specific to Iraq. I'm talking about generalized freedoms here. And It's applicable to Iraq as well; there were jobs there, mind you."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Huh? Iraq ain't another state - it's another country. And people aren't allowed to move freely across borders. It's frequently illegal if they don't have the permission to do it. Or do you think illegal immigation is a basic human right?Originally posted by Ramo
It insures you can choose another state if you disagree with the laws, get a better life for yourself, get better education, get a better job, etc., etc.
Now, getting refugee status or asylum when you've been severly persecuted in your own country - that might be a basic human right."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Iraq is another state (look up state in the dictionary
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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how is moving free no fundamental right? the eastern block collapsed because the people revolted against reactionary restrictions like such one. the fall of the Berlin Wall was all about the freedom to travel and move free.Originally posted by Edan
How is that a fundamental human right?
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Funny how Bush gets blamed for this, when this kind of stuff has been going on for years.Comment
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