I wont shed a tear for these people. I think that they are arresting them for spending money in Iraq, not for traveling there and I dont think they will get max setence etheir. I also heard that many were sent warning letters to come clean or they would be charged and arrested.
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Haven't you ever heard of sanctions? If you violate sanctions then you are breaking the law."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Funny, and here I was thinking that the point was to express one's views and protest against something you don't agree with in a peaceful and frequently law-abiding manner.
And I don't see how the actions of the "human shields" was anything but peaceful."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ashcroft is also trying to fine people who had the gall to try to save Iraqi kids' lives outside of the auspices of big brother.
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This is the most despicable news I have heard in quite a while. Anyone who supports such a supremely immoral act should be ashamed to their very core.
This is just further proof that America is destroying itself. The almighty American Empire some of you are so proud of. The mighty empire that wages war on the innocent, and enchains those who would attempt to bring peace. Your great empire is not long for this world.http://monkspider.blogspot.com/
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Originally posted by Ramo
Gandhi was breaking the law when he protested. MLK was breaking the law when he protested. Does that mean they deserved to be imprisoned?
I was just responding to the claim that everyone who protests is doing so illegaly - lots of people protest in the US without breaking any laws at all.
And I don't see how the actions of the "human shields" was anything but peaceful."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen
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These people were not arrested for going to Iraq, they were arrested for spending money in Iraq. Also many of these people where supported by Saddam, and gave them a place to stay. In way they were trying to help Saddam and when they got back well this happen. Did you see protestors here in the US arrested? No. Are they being charged with a federal crime? No again.
I find these people very stupid in the first place. But also you dont want US cizitens doing crazy stuff like this in the future. Traveling to war zones and willing be used as human shields for an army that the United States is fighting.
And they did break a law that goes back way before Gulf War II.
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Also these people may not go to jail. Remember that. They might just face a fine, or probation.
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Shrug. I don't see how the actions of the "human shieds" was anything but stupid. *shrug*
But breaking the law and expecting not to go to prison is a very stupid thing to do.
I break laws all the time, and I don't expect to be charged. For instance, I jay-walked a couple times today. Or, I'm liable to go to prison under a criminal anarchy statute over here. Does that mean I'm stupid?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I find these people very stupid in the first place. But also you dont want US cizitens doing crazy stuff like this in the future. Traveling to war zones and willing be used as human shields for an army that the United States is fighting."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush administration arrests former human shields.
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, he wasn't. He was in the South. Even when he went north, he went to the one-party city of Chicago. I'm not sure if MLK ever protested in a democratic society except during the March on Washington.
not sure exactly whereA lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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This thread raises a couple of thoughts:
1) The idiots who went to Iraq to help Saddam did not travel to a war zone. Most of them left Iraq even before the war started. It was not a war, it was still a diplomatic conflict. If any of the parts would respect UN, there would be no war. None of them did.
2) It takes guts to be a human shield. The guy in the picture had that. The guys who went to Iraq didn't (most of them).
3) My conclusion after reading the comments by Americans in this thread is that the guy on the picture would be a flat pool of red pulp if the tank was American. While that was the fate of many others that day, this guy survived. No guts, no glorySo get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!
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Originally posted by Jack_www
These people were not arrested for going to Iraq, they were arrested for spending money in Iraq. Also many of these people where supported by Saddam, and gave them a place to stay. In way they were trying to help Saddam and when they got back well this happen. Did you see protestors here in the US arrested? No. Are they being charged with a federal crime? No again.
I find these people very stupid in the first place. But also you dont want US cizitens doing crazy stuff like this in the future. Traveling to war zones and willing be used as human shields for an army that the United States is fighting.
And they did break a law that goes back way before Gulf War II.
This is a close question, isn't it?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by MrFun
Are you trying to hairsplit an imaginary difference in protesting a law without breaking it, from breaking the law?
Because if you protest against a law, you ARE breaking it -- which is what MLK Jr. and other civil rights leaders did, by violating segregation and disfranchisement laws.
You break a law by doing whatever it is the law says you can't do. For example, if abortions were illegal, and I got an abortion (unlikely, as I'm a guy, but you never know...), that would be illegal. However, if I and a bunch of other people all held signs protesting for our right to an abortion, that would not be illegal, as I did not perform the prohibited action.
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Originally posted by Osweld
You realize that alot of the peaceful anti-war marchs in the USA where illegal, right? They forbid them from protesting and tear gased the people who showed up anyways.
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