Bush administration arrests former human shields.

[laurentius]

Re: Re: Re: Bush administration arrests former human shields.

Originally posted by skywalker


As you said, he submitted to being arrested. So should they.

However, in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY (where they can vote), they should not break the law (they can protest, but not break), because the law is decided by the will of the majority.

You know thats exactly what Lenin said
Exactly the same, just replace the democratic with socialist. One of the main principles of soviet communism, was the legalised tyranny of the majority.

[Kuciwalker]

Yes, but Lenin's communist state wasn't democratic.

[laurentius]

Skywalker, Demokratia MEANS tyranny of the majority.

[Kuciwalker]

By "democratic", I mean that it protects freedom of expression and all citizens have a right to vote.

[laurentius]

Well, you don't vote about the laws do you?

[Kuciwalker]

Huh?

People vote for laws indirectly, by electing representatives.

[laurentius]

Exactly. But sometimes the representatives base their decisions on political bargains, voting rules of discipline etc, instead of the best intrest of the people. This is why we have to have right to bend the laws. Not by killing anyone, but by reasonable resistance. Like reclaiming the streets for example.

[Kuciwalker]

You still shouldn't break the law. Protest peacefully, don't vote for those polititions, but don't break the law.

There is not comparison with the Soviet Union, because there you couldn't protest the government at all, peacefully or otherwise.

[laurentius]

You are right, we can't compare SU with US. Still protesting peacefully usually breaks some law anyway. These human shields I reckon are pretty peaceful people

[dannubis]

peaceful "unpatriotic" people mind you ...

[Edan]

Originally posted by Dissident


people aren't allowed to peacefully protest anymore?

In Iraq?

Funny, I didn't think Iraqis were allowed to peacefully protest Saddam...

Or when you said people, did you just mean westerners?

(And simply because US citizens are allowed to peacefully protest doesn't mean they can do it whereever they want to. You canot, for example, protest within some number of feet from an abortion clinic, for example)

[Edan]

Re: Re: Re: Bush administration arrests former human shields.

Originally posted by skywalker


As you said, he submitted to being arrested. So should they.

However, in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY (where they can vote), they should not break the law (they can protest, but not break), because the law is decided by the will of the majority.

Funny. I thought MLK was in a democratic society.

[MrFun]

Re: Re: Re: Bush administration arrests former human shields.

Originally posted by skywalker


As you said, he submitted to being arrested. So should they.

However, in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY (where they can vote), they should not break the law (they can protest, but not break), because the law is decided by the will of the majority.

Are you trying to hairsplit an imaginary difference in protesting a law without breaking it, from breaking the law?

Because if you protest against a law, you ARE breaking it -- which is what MLK Jr. and other civil rights leaders did, by violating segregation and disfranchisement laws.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by skywalker
You still shouldn't break the law. Protest peacefully, don't vote for those polititions, but don't break the law.

There is not comparison with the Soviet Union, because there you couldn't protest the government at all, peacefully or otherwise.

You realize that alot of the peaceful anti-war marchs in the USA where illegal, right? They forbid them from protesting and tear gased the people who showed up anyways.

[Edan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bush administration arrests former human shields.

Originally posted by MrFun


Are you trying to hairsplit an imaginary difference in protesting a law without breaking it, from breaking the law?

I think it's a lot bigger than an imaginary difference. Or do you think all the pro-life protesters are breaking a law? They aren't all abortion clinic bombers, you know.