In Canada some groups are more equal than others

[Berzerker]

Ben - was that a publicly funded college?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes. It's a publicly funded university here in Canada.

Anyhoo, I'm tired, so g'night all.

[Dinner]

Gays should have equal rights but not special rights. If the first post is correct then it seems Canada is considering giving gays special rights above and beyond what the average citizen enjoys.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
Just as it is illegal to preach hatred of Jews. It wasn't all that long ago that many Christian denominations regularly preached against Jews btw. A minority still do and find scriptural references to back their claims...

I see where you are coming from and you do make a point. That said from the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim perspective god has told them that homosexuality is immoral and that god hates it as a sin. For a religious person this puts them in a terrible delema where they have to choice between what they see as god's word or the state's laws.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Gays should have equal rights but not special rights. If the first post is correct then it seems Canada is considering giving gays special rights above and beyond what the average citizen enjoys.

Sounds like a quote from the Family Research Council.

Again, the law does not single out gays for special protection. It protects people of all sexual orientation from such hateful activity. If heterosexuals are the only ones out there in number spewing hate against gays and bis and committing acts of hate-motivated violence, that would indicate a problem among the heterosexual community, wouldn't it?

Whether or not it is prohibiting free speech, I'm not sure--even in the U.S., free speech isn't quite absolute, since it is illegal to incite violence against others. But the law isn't singling out any particular group for "special rights."

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Berzerker



Because freedom includes "hating" those you find worthy of "hate". And because these laws won't be used consistently, they will be used to suppress "hatred" of the politically connected while allowing "hatred" of those who are not. Ever hear of the Alien & Sedition Act? It was passed in the 1790's by Congress and John Adams to suppress criticism of Congress and John Adams, not to suppress criticism leveled by those in power against their political opponents. Does that answer your rhetorical question designed to indict the motives of your opponents?

Exactly. It is quite easy now for a so called protected group to silence a group that they hate by calling them a "hate group." What a brilliant way to stifle opposing views. Too bad it is working.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Because freedom includes "hating" those you find worthy of "hate".
And because these laws won't be used consistently, they will be used to suppress "hatred" of the politically connected while allowing "hatred" of those who are not.

So are you against libel laws? These laws set limits on freedom of speech. The hate laws are the similar. Libel laws protect the individual. Hate laws protect groups.

Do you oppose laws that make it illegal to incite a riot?

Freedom of speech has never been absolute. To claim that homosexuals are somehow a special type of protection that has never existed in any form before, is simply wrong.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Exactly. It is quite easy now for a so called protected group to silence a group that they hate by calling them a "hate group." What a brilliant way to stifle opposing views. Too bad it is working.

Bull. Show me one case where it was "easy" to silence someone under Canadian hate laws.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Get the **** beat out of you or get your ass lynched would probably be one start, though I don't favor hate crimes legislation.

Neither do I.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Berzerker

More liberals invited to the riot?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
When was the last time a crime against a white person fell under the category of a 'hate' crime?

In the US, most of the prosecuted hate crimes have been about attacks against white people, but as most Jews and gays are white, that doesn't tell us a whole lot.

[mindseye]

Originally poosted by Ben Kenobi
In theory, it ought to protect everyone equally. In practice, hate crimes only come into play when involving a minority group.

Uh, could that maybe be because in practice most hate crimes are perpetrated against minorities?

Gee, could that be because they don't want to pass anything that might remotely do good for gays?

Originally poosted by Berzerker
Like banning anal intercourse?

Bezerker - please, please don't tell me you think gays are the only ones (or even a majority of those) who enjoy anal intercourse!

[mindseye]

Amazing!

We are already on page 3 of a Lincoln anti-gay troll thread, and he still hasn't reminded us that he really has nothing against homosexuals because he has a gay brother!

Lincoln, I was hoping that your time in Thailand would have taught you something about tolerance.

(Still recalling Lincoln's last anti-gay troll thread; "Gay eats child.")

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Bull. Show me one case where it was "easy" to silence someone under Canadian hate laws.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31080

The Court of Queen's Bench in Saskatchewan upheld a 2001 ruling by the province's human rights tribunal that fined a man for submitting a newspaper ad that included citations of four Bible verses that address homosexuality.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by mindseye
Amazing!

We are already on page 3 of a Lincoln anti-gay troll thread, and he still hasn't reminded us that he really has nothing against homosexuals because he has a gay brother!

Lincoln, I was hoping that your time in Thailand would have taught you something about tolerance.

(Still recalling Lincoln's last anti-gay troll thread; "Gay eats child.")

I was hopimg that your time in China would have taught you something about freedom

And try to forgive and forget mindseye. I know it still upsets you that a fellow gay ate a little boy but try and forgive him and go on