Growing up in an irreligious household.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Thank you, Asher.
Your flippant attitude about a child's eternal future is supremely indicative of my point.

Let me ask this, John.
At any point in your lives, have you and/or your wife been saved?
If yes, how will you feel if you spend eternity with God, and your Blessing burns ?
That's assuming that God is truly merciful, and forgives you for not providing her a choice/chance.

1. No.

2. N/A

3. Sophie has a choice, Sloww. Like I did, like you did, like we both still do. I'm not taking away anything.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by SpencerH
JohnT, dont you live in the south?

If thats so, there may be advantages to not raising Sophie as a catholic. She wont be seen as the 'spawn of satan' by the baptists. My children are 'irreligious' and their lack of beliefs are at least tolerated here to some extent.

Having lived in Georgia and Tennessee my entire life, I can tell you that I have never been witness to or party of any anti-Catholic bigotry. It has frankly never been a factor in my life.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I also think while Judaism may not be relevant to young sophie, this will give you insight into education and choice.

I believe it was William James who said that some religious choices were possible to a given person while some were not. So he could choose between Christianity and free thinking - but becoming a Sunni muslim is beyond his cultural world.

Those of us in religious minorities are aware of this - leave my daughter to the general culture and she may have a choice between Protestantism, and atheism. But given the nature of the culture, Judaism is likely to be off her radar - UNLESS we make it a special point to offer it to her. So you must think about the general culture you will be raising your daughter in, and the choices it presents, and if it will tend to exclude choices it is important to you that she have. And what kind of upbrining is required to make sure she has that choice.

Very fine words. Thank you.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
so how many people answering this thread actually have children?

I do!

[JohnT]

Originally posted by MikeH
Funny how many non-religious people went to religious schools.

It sure shows the strength of the oppressive brainwashing, doesn't it?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Boris: it was indisputable that the Earth was flat.

700 million years from now, we may find that evolution is completely wrong and laughable. I suggest you don't close your mind so much. (Just in case!)

The Earth being flat was never proven by scientific method. Once people had enough scientific information (and we're talking ancient Greeks here), it was shown that, logically, it must be round. This was over a thousand years before Magellan. And contrary to popular myth, plenty of people believed the earth to be round before Magellan or Columbus set sail.

Evolution is indisputable because it is observed. Does anyone (credible) dispute the world is round now? No, because it has been observed. Likewise with evolution. Comparing evolution to a flat earth is the wrong analogy--Creationism is what is more analogous to a flat earth, as neither is scientifically supportable.

People who claim Evolution is just a "theory" (as in guess) are woefully uneducated as to the abundant scientific evidence that proves it to be fact. The trifecta of anatomical, fossil and molecular evidence not only proves evolution to be true beyond any reasonable doubt, but also shows that there is no other credible explanation but evolution for what we observe in biology.

[Boris Godunov]

JohnT, I think the answer is fairly simple, IMO. You and your wife live in a current lifestyle that you feel is most condusive to your beliefs. Raising your child in anything else would seem to me to be hypocritical, sending a message that she has to live a way that the two of you don't necessarily want to live yourselves. So, if I were you, I'd maintain the status quo and just continue as you are vis-a-vis religious activity. That shouldn't have any negative impact on her morality, since good parents are good parents regardless of their religious background or even lack of religion. The most important thing is to live honestly and raise her honestly.

[Straybow]

Asher, start your own whiney-ªss thread.

Of course, I'm about a hundred posts too late…

[st_swithin]

Dude, that hat is DOPE.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Asher
It's an example of a religious law, since sodomy is quite clearly not permitted by the bible.

You know, this is something that really pisses me off. Why shouldn't people be allowed to believe what they want? Why is gay-bashing any worse than Christian-bashing?

If a Christian (or whomever) wants to believe that homosexuality is wrong, why the hell shouldn't they? Likewise, a gay should be allowed to believe that Christianity is wrong. That's their perogative.

The ones that piss me off, are the ones who insult people because of their beliefs, from both sides. And that includes you Asher.

[JohnT]

" Why shouldn't people be allowed to believe what they want? "

They can. Just as long as they have an open mind about it.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by lord of the mark So opine, disagreee and comment all you want, but dont tell me that im a liar, or that you know more about raising children then i do.

I wouldn't and didn't say that.

[Drake Tungsten]

And to outlaw sodomy gives every citizen the freedom to walk around without fear of being assraped by one of those homofags, right?

Well duh...

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by JohnT

Having lived in Georgia and Tennessee my entire life, I can tell you that I have never been witness to or party of any anti-Catholic bigotry. It has frankly never been a factor in my life.

Well my comment was somewhat 'tongue in cheek', however, if you've lived in the south all your life you must be aware that there are many baptists here who feel that way about the catholic church.

Originally posted by JohnT The issues I'm more worried about are the ones brought up by Alexander's Horse, about the lack of community and availability of friendships and acquaitences - it is a good place to network and to meet people whom have a better than average chance of being "decent."

This is what I'm worried that we're denying Sophie, this and sparing her the embarrassment of the uncomfortable pause that occurs when she has no response to the (very common) question of "So, where do you go to church?" We have absolutely no plans of moving from the SE US, and we have really no plans of moving from Knoxville, so the question is going to come up. Plus, since I want her to know the Bible anyway, who is going to teach it better than the professionals at church?

My wife and I are both agnostic so we have gone through these questions/situations fairly regularly for ourselves and our two daughters.

I would suggest to you that it is somewhat hypocritical for you (as someone who actually has some degree of faith) to take your daughter to church in order to 'network' (and obviously I understand the value of that here in the south).

EDIT:cartman voice: goddamit! :/cartman voice: I read further and found Boris and I had similar comments

[monolith94]

"the answer is fairly simple, IMO. You and your wife live in a current lifestyle that you feel is most condusive to your beliefs."

I agree with this. Just do whatever you feel comes naturally.