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I hope so, Wittlich.
A bridge was needed to span the gap.
A bridge was needed to span the gap.
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I'm just honest - it makes me uneasyAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?Comment
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I think you have self-doubts, AH.
Work throught it, would be my advice.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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I'm uncomfortable with it too. Instead of proclaiming that homosexual acts aren't sins, then recognizing gay marriage, and lastly allowing a gay bishop (a series of events that would lend most legitimacy to the cause), what they are doing now is confirming a bishop who openly fornicates. Is this what passes for holy nowadays?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The other option is you say God makes mistakes.
Who are you to question ?
I'm sure He had a plan, and I for one won't question God.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Given that the general view is that humans (even Bishops) sin all the time, and that God forgives those sins if we ask Him to, I'm sure the Episcopalians can manage to adapt and survive.
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Bingo.
HA! Listen to this.
The Southern Rednecks have their stuff together more than the enlightened Yankees.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Of course, they can do what they see fit. I've no dog in this hunt.I'm sure the Episcopalians can manage to adapt and surviveI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Why do you think he openly fornicates? Being gay means that you are attracted to the same sex. It does not mean that you spend all of your time having sex with the same sex. Heterosexuals don't do that, and I'm sure there are probably a fair number those with the position of Bishop.Originally posted by DanS
I'm uncomfortable with it too. Instead of proclaiming that homosexual acts aren't sins, then recognizing gay marriage, and lastly allowing a gay bishop (a series of events that would lend most legitimacy to the cause), what they are doing now is confirming a bishop who openly fornicates. Is this what passes for holy nowadays?
Thank you MtG, I was going to say that. According to Christianity, everyone's a sinner, and it can't be helped. Why is this sin focused on so much?Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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I was under the impression that he lived with his lover.Why do you think he openly fornicates?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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AH - all Bishops are already gay, so I guess it just makes you uncomfortable to have it actually confirmed...hmmm I'm a bit uncomfortable with gay bishopsComment
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heyOriginally posted by SlowwHand
Bingo.
HA! Listen to this.
The Southern Rednecks have their stuff together more than the enlightened Yankees.
I think it's fabulous that we finally have a gay bishop in a Christian denomination. A slap in the face for all the bigots out there.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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the real question
Is it good for the Jews?
well on the one hand anything that advances tolerance, treating people as individuals, etc is good.
On the other hand the threat of losing a "moderate" protestant denomination, possibly to see it split into a left-wing group (do we need another one of those?) and a right wing group (do we need another one of those?) is bad
On the other hand, the left wing and right wing products of a schism are likely to be less attractive for Jews assimilating/converting out than the original unsplit church But the appeal of the Episcopal church in particular probably has little to do with Jews assimilating/converting out. 
WRT to Israel : a left wing product of schism would probably join the left wing protestant anti-israel consensus But then the current Episcopal church is pretty much there already = a schism might liberate a pro-Israel right wing church (at least in the US) which is otherwise hidden, and would be more sensible then pro-Israel fundie churches On the other hand would even right wing anglicans be pro-Israel?
And would right wing anglicans be tempted into union with Rome - what would THAT mean for the Jews?
Altogether too many variables to say."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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(sigh) i will never, ever, ever understand why being gay or straight is such an issue for so many people.
in the grand scheme of things, with the universe explosively expanding and human life's pace accelerating, this is like getting caught at one tiny little bend and then facing horrible shearing effects.B♭3Comment
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