Another Senseless Act of Bigotry

[Sava]

Butternuts, boy.

Yeah, mine will melt in your mouth, *****!




:runs for dear life:

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh crap, Sava

[DanS]

Um, Episcopalian clergy are allowed to marry and have sex. Since marriage isn't an option yet for gays, Robinson's 13-year monogamous relationship with his partner is certainly, as far as I can see, as good. Add to that the fact that they are considering adopting a same-sex union ceremony, I think that it's well within their guidelines and standards to have a bishop who is gay. It's up to the denomination's faithful to determine what they want, and such democracy is hardly objectionable, as far as I can see.

He fornicates and everybody knows it. I wouldn't bust his balls about it, if he were lay and didn't have such a high teaching position in the church.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

On the other hand, the left wing and right wing products of a schism are likely to be less attractive for Jews assimilating/converting out than the original unsplit church But the appeal of the Episcopal church in particular probably has little to do with Jews assimilating/converting out.

Are you kidding? The Episcopal Church is so small that Jews in the US out-number us by at least 2 to 1. By random chance it is more likley that an Episcopal will convert to Judaism than vice versa.

[GePap]

So the least protestant of protestant churches (they have bishops, no?) did this....yeah, shows how enlightened protestants are Doc..

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by GePap
So the least protestant of protestant churches (they have bishops, no?) did this....yeah, shows how enlightened protestants are Doc..

Hey, people are continually lumping us in with the rest.

If a preacher from some small fundamentalist sect comes to, let's say Australia and makes a row about creationism he's labeled a typical protestant, right? But if another protestant church does something revolutionary, well then that's obviously an anomaly that should be ignored, right? Don't mind me, I'm just checking on how enlightened your thinking is.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sava
Yeah, mine will melt in your mouth, *****!




:runs for dear life:

Ohhhh, Savita mariquita, you wish.

[Sava]

sadly, I do...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Hey, people are continually lumping us in with the rest.

If a preacher from some small fundamentalist sect comes to, let's say Australia and makes a row about creationism he's labeled a typical protestant, right? But if another protestant church does something revolutionary, well then that's obviously an anomaly that should be ignored, right? Don't mind me, I'm just checking on how enlightened your thinking is.

No one I know would lump that freak in with the protestants, but with the evangelicals. Now, if you are an evangelicals, my condolences.

[Sava]

Originally posted by GePap




No one I know would lump that freak in with the protestants, but with the evangelicals. Now, if you are an evangelicals, my condolences.

IMO, a true Christian has to believe in things like creationism, if not, you don't believe in the Bible, and you admit it is not true, thereby proving that your religion is false.

Now, you can still believe in God without being a hypocrit, but you certainly cannot believe in Jesus and NOT believe in creationism without being hypocritical.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Sava
IMO, a true Christian has to believe in things like creationism, if not, you don't believe in the Bible, and you admit it is not true, thereby proving that your religion is false.

Now, you can still believe in God without being a hypocrit, but you certainly cannot believe in Jesus and NOT believe in creationism without being hypocritical.

Spoken like a true radical fundie! IIRC the Roman Ctholic Church officially gave it's recognition to evolutionary theory over a decade ago, so you are by logical conclusion, implying that Catholics aren't Christian. Ahhhhh, that reminds me of the good old days when I was 8 and had just moved down south. I was shocked that so many of my (predominantly fundamentalist) classmates disapproved of the election of John Kennedy to the presidency because they believed, as you, that Catholics couldn't rally be considered Christians.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


I've never heard of an anti-Israeli Episcopalian group. I doubt there's any real threat of that deverloping,

Perhaps my definition is different - I didnt mean one that calls explicitly for the destruction of Israel, but one that follows the National Council of Churches line of establishing moral equivalence between terrorism on the one hand, and Isaeli actions on the other. Perhaps i should have said "biased against Israel" or something like that, i was using a shorthand.

I would have to look up PECUSA or NCC statements to demonstrate what i mean. On the other hand i dont want to threadjack this to another mideast politics thread.

[Q Classic]

IMO, a true Christian has to believe in things like creationism, if not, you don't believe in the Bible, and you admit it is not true, thereby proving that your religion is false.

Now, you can still believe in God without being a hypocrit, but you certainly cannot believe in Jesus and NOT believe in creationism without being hypocritical.

the pope has stated that evolution is part of god's master plan.
furthermore, the catholic church holds that the bible is not to be taken literally necessarily, particularly many of the books such as revelations.

now, sava, if you want to say then that catholics are not christian, you are placing yourself in the same group with radical and not-so-radical christian fundamentalist groups such as the southern baptists, extremist mormons, and others.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


OK, but let's hear no more foaming at the mouth rants about closed-minded protestants from you.

Please. Episcopalians aren't protestants; they're Catholics who haven't worked through their Oedipal crisis yet. I heartily salute the new bishop, but neither you nor he can take away my God-given right to mock Baptists.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Sava
Now, you can still believe in God without being a hypocrit, but you certainly cannot believe in Jesus and NOT believe in creationism without being hypocritical.

Can you show me where in the New Testament Christ tells us that the Bible is literally true?